Ray Allen Trade Ideas

[Evantime34]

With how the season is going I have been playing with the trade machine a lot. I decided it might be a good idea to post all the Ray Allen trades I have come up with, just in case any of them has any credence.

To Chicago: Ray Allen
To Boston: CJ Watson, Kyle Korver, Bobcats Protected first.

Chicago gets a sniper to put along side Derrick Rose, we get a valuable first round pick.

To Indiana: Ray Allen
To Boston: Indiana's first round pick

Indiana has the cap space to absorb Ray's contract without giving any players back. We add a first in a very good draft.

To Dallas: Ray Allen
To Boston: Sean Marion, Rodrigue Beaubois, heavily protected first.

Dallas get's Ray Allen this year but more importantly puts themselves in a position to sign Dwight Howard and Deron Williams next year. We get a prospect in Beaubois and a pick.

To Golden State: Ray Allen, Clippers First, Future Protected First
To Boston: Monta Ellis

Curry and Ray would be a nightmare together but more importantly GSW would get two future first for Ellis. We have a super fast back court with Rondo and Ellis.

To LAC: Ray Allen
To Boston: Randy Foye, Ryan Gomes, Protected first

We give LAC a helping hand in their playoff pursuit and we get a future first of theirs (probably starting in 2013 or 2014)

To Memphis: Ray Allen
To Boston: OJ Mayo, Daryl Arthur, Jeremy Pargo

Memphis gets a great shooter to space the floor with Randolph and Gasol. Boston gets the bird rights to OJ Mayo, Arthur and Pargo are filler.

To Minnesota: Ray Allen
To Boston: Mike Beasley, Anthony Randolph

Minnesota gets floor spacer plus veteran leadership. We get two young players and their bird rights.

To Utah: Ray Allen
To Boston: M. Okur Trade Exception, Jersey's First
or
To Boston: Devin Harris, Alec Burks, first round pick

Let me know what you guys think, which deals are the best? Are there any deals you would be happy if the Celtics completed. If this is well received I will do the same thing for Pierce KG or Rondo.

[Who]

(1) Chicago won't do it. Bobcats pick too valuable.
(2) Indiana won't do it. Late teens pick too valuable.
(3) Dallas won't do it. Marion more valuable than Ray given the rest of their roster.
(4) Golden State won't do it. Not giving up Monta for cap flexibility and picks. Want a star.
(5) Clippers is a possibility
(6) Not interested in OJ Mayo
(7) Not interested in Beasley. Can sign A.Randolph in summer if so wish.
[8] Strongly doubt NJ would do that but I wouldn't rule it out entirely. They are pretty desperate.
(9) Utah won't do that.

So the Clippers trade is the only one that I think is possible that I have interest in.

[LooseCannon]

I just don't think any of these deals are a realistic appraisement of Ray Allen's trade value.  I think a realistic idea of what Boston can get is Ray to Atlanta for Kirk Heinrich's expiring contract and a second-round pick.  I think that your ideas that involve a first round pick should replace them with a second round pick, and even then, most of them don't get done.

To criticize a specific idea, I think that Ray Allen doesn't get traded to Chicago unless Boston takes back Rip Hamilton.

[Evantime34]

(1) Chicago won't do it. Bobcats pick too valuable.
(2) Indiana won't do it. Late teens pick too valuable.
(3) Dallas won't do it. Marion more valuable than Ray given the rest of their roster.
(4) Golden State won't do it. Not giving up Monta for cap flexibility and picks. Want a star.
(5) Clippers is a possibility
(6) Not interested in OJ Mayo
(7) Not interested in Beasley. Can sign A.Randolph in summer if so wish.
[8] Strongly doubt NJ would do that but I wouldn't rule it out entirely. They are pretty desperate.
(9) Utah won't do that.

So the Clippers trade is the only one that I think is possible that I have interest in.

For all those playoff teams the idea is that they believe they are one piece away from making a deep playoff run.
1. For Chicago Ray could be the difference between going home early and winning the title. I think they do that deal. We could take Chicago's pick instead but then it's probably not a good deal for us.
2. Indiana doesn't need any more rookies, they have depth at every position, Ray could put them over the top.
3. Marion might be more valuable right now. Dallas showed this offseason that that they are preserving cap space at all costs (letting Chandler and Barea walk). In order to offer Deron and Dwight they need to trade Odom, Marion or Haywood then amnesty one of the two they don't trade. Beaubois doesn't even play for them and Marion is steadily declining with three years on his contract.
4. Probably not but it's fun to dream.
6. Mayo is a good shooter and a decent athlete which would fit the up tempo style that the C's want to move towards with Rondo. Even if we don't trade for him I wouldn't be surprised if we put in an offer this offseason. This deal would give us his bird rights. Having a good player be your restricted free agent in a year where most of the good free agents are restricted could net us something if he doesn't stay.
7. This trade is probably the most iffy, It would make more sense for us if Minnesota gave us a first but I don't see them doing it.
8. The deal would be with Utah. We would be trading Ray for a first they would be able to absorb it because of the trade exception they got from M. Okur.
9. Harris, is a piece that doesn't have much value, they are trying to get his salary off the books. Burks and a first might be a bit much but I'm not sure if I do it without the first.

[Evantime34]

I just don't think any of these deals are a realistic appraisement of Ray Allen's trade value.  I think a realistic idea of what Boston can get is Ray to Atlanta for Kirk Heinrich's expiring contract and a second-round pick.  I think that your ideas that involve a first round pick should replace them with a second round pick, and even then, most of them don't get done.

To criticize a specific idea, I think that Ray Allen doesn't get traded to Chicago unless Boston takes back Rip Hamilton.

Wow, I didn't realize people thought Ray wasn't worth a first. I think he looks poor in our system because no one is able to set him up with open shots. I believe that if you put him on a team where he gets open off of others penetration that he could be the missing piece.

If no team is willing to take him for that price we might as well just keep him.

[Who]

(3) Dallas won't do it. Marion more valuable than Ray given the rest of their roster.

3. Marion might be more valuable right now. Dallas showed this offseason that that they are preserving cap space at all costs (letting Chandler and Barea walk). In order to offer Deron and Dwight they need to trade Odom, Marion or Haywood then amnesty one of the two they don't trade. Beaubois doesn't even play for them and Marion is steadily declining with three years on his contract.

I don't think Dallas will have any problem trading Marion in the off-season to a team below the cap. No need to force a move now.

[LooseCannon]

Wow, I didn't realize people thought Ray wasn't worth a first.

He's an expiring contract.  I don't think teams give up a first for a few months of renting Ray Allen unless the Celtics take back salary for next season for an unwanted player.

This would be different if Ray Allen still had a year left, which is why it would have made more sense to trade him in the off-season.  The lockout really forced the Celtics to go with what they've got rather than considering blowing up the team and starting to rebuild.

[Who]

[8] Strongly doubt NJ would do that but I wouldn't rule it out entirely. They are pretty desperate.

8. The deal would be with Utah. We would be trading Ray for a first they would be able to absorb it because of the trade exception they got from M. Okur.

Sorry, misread that. I can't see Utah making this deal.

Their pick (GSW's protected pick) has far too much value to Utah (a rebuilding team) to give up for Ray Allen (far too old to interest them at that price).

[bostonpatriot]

I think the realistic trades are Clippers, Indiana, Minny and Memphis.

The Clippers can only trade their 2014 first rounder. Good chance it's a very late first rounder. Not worth to pay Gomes $4 million in 12/13 to have that pick.

Indiana will probably put a very high protection on the pick. They don't really need Ray Allen that much when George Hill is healthy.  Would reduce Paul George minutes to play Ray Allen improve their chances in any noticeable way? Heck, with the decline on the boards + defense maybe they get worse. Actually I'm not sure if the Pacers would be interested. They can probably find a better use for their cap space - Kaman?

Minnesota is a bad trade for Boston. They get worse this season and both of those guys are expiring contracts anyway. I'd like to sing Anthony Randolph. Maybe if Minny sends Wes Johnson or a pick, but I doubt they'd be interested in that.

Memphis is a bad trade for Boston too. Mayo can't play with a PG like Rondo. Too small of a backcourt, too permeable defensively.

[Who]

The Pacers would love to have Ray Allen. I just can't imagine them sacrificing a long term piece to get him.

The C's could easily get a trade exception from them for Ray.

[Evantime34]

The Pacers would love to have Ray Allen. I just can't imagine them sacrificing a long term piece to get him.

The C's could easily get a trade exception from them for Ray.

Why would we trade Ray for a trade exception when we can have his salary come off the books to end the year?

[LooseCannon]

I think Indiana offers a second round pick to rent Ray Allen if Paul George suffers a season-ending injury from which he is expected to fully recover.  You're probably more likely to get them to throw in one of their young end-of-the-bench guys like Lance Stephenson or Jeff Pendergraph than to get them to upgrade from a second to a first round pick.

[Who]

The Pacers would love to have Ray Allen. I just can't imagine them sacrificing a long term piece to get him.

The C's could easily get a trade exception from them for Ray.

Why would we trade Ray for a trade exception when we can have his salary come off the books to end the year?

Minimal value.

A subsequent trade perhaps. Maybe it makes things a bit easier if there was a team out there that didn't want to take back any salary in trade. Maybe someone who wants to lower their luxury tax bill. Sacrifice a quality player or an asset (young player or pick) to move a bad contract.

[bostonpatriot]

The Pacers would love to have Ray Allen. I just can't imagine them sacrificing a long term piece to get him.

The C's could easily get a trade exception from them for Ray.

As long as they don't have a better option to spend the cap space, particularly on a big.

- Foster plays very sporadically due to his back injury.
- Hansbrough doesn't show any signs of improvement on his very low scoring efficiency while being an awful rebounder and passer.
- Amundson is a fringe rotation player.
- Hibbert is limited by stamina issues and bad matchups. He'll never play more than 30 mpg.

Even though they need a legitimate 3rd wing, I'd say that for the same price, they'd take Kaman over Ray Allen. I doubt they'd spend an unprotected pick on any of them.

[greenlion]

the most realistic thing is that ray actually stays a celtic, it will be a big blow to our existing chemistry and flow if he leaves..