2012 'Pick Two' Draft Board

[Who]

JR Swoosh still on the block ya'all.

Why are you trading JR Smith? You only drafted him a little while ago?

[Redz]

Pistons trade Marshon Brooks and Monta Ellis to

Kings for Demarcus Cousins and 4.11 pick.

I think that is a great move for Detroit. They should trade Greg Monroe now.

I don't like Monta and Tyreke together for Sacramento. Too much self-involved play. Hard to build a team based framework with two extremely ball-dominant guards of their ilk. Plus, Monta will hold back Tyreke's development just like he has with Steph Curry.

You don't think Cousins and Monroe can coexist? I'm intrigued but I'm not sure.

Short term, definitely not. Long term, possibly.

My lack of certainty is why I would trade Monroe. I think he's got really good trade value and by moving him Detroit can build a team that can definitely play together and play at a high level. Rather than a team that could go either way.

For me, I don't think the pay off is enough to warrant the risk. I am happy to take that risk if the end reward is far greater than the trade options but I don't believe that's the case here. So why take the unnecessary risk?

Certainty over uncertainty, in this case.

Had a bunch of offers on both, but the reason I picked detroit is that I love Monroe and thought it would fun to build a futures team around him.  I hadn't expected to get a youngin' who plays a similar role who is his superior.  Still, I think Monroe does some things that Cousins does not (like pass the ball effectively).  I think the two will work well together.  I'd have to be really bowled over to deal either.

[Who]

If Haslem is still out there, he's KC's guy. Heat draft Haslem.

Very nice. Best power forward on the board.

[Rondo2287]

No love for the Kenyon Martin pick?

[Who]

Rd   Pk   Time      Team             Manager                            
Wednesday, 2/15
3   1   2:40 PM      Toronto Raptors   Celtic Fan Forever    Michael Beasley
3   2   2:50 PM   San Ant Spurs/SixersThunderTyler Hansbrough
3   3   3:00 PM      NO Hornets   Atzar    Jeff Teague
3   4   3:10 PM      Den Nuggets   Champkind    Nikola Pekovic
3   5   3:20 PM      Was Wizards   celticpride07    Dorell Wright
3   6   3:30 PM      Atlanta Hawks   Evantime34    Jamal Crawford
3   7   3:40 PM      Indiana Pacers   StartOrien    Derrick Williams
3   8   3:50 PM      GS Warriors   RebusRankin    Trevor Ariza
3   9   4:00 PM      Phoenix Suns   riah32    Carl Landry
3   10   4:10 PM      Dallas Mavs   mgent    Hedo Turkoglu
3   11   4:20 PM   Sactown Kings CavaliersRaptors Rodney Stuckey
3   12   4:30 PM      Utah Jazz   New York    Tayshaun Prince
3   13   4:40 PM      Detroit Pistons   redz    Marshon Brooks
3   14   4:50 PM   Philly 76ers Nuggets Jason Richardson
3   15   6:10 PM   NJ NetsHawks Marvin Williams
3   16   6:20 PM      Houston Rockets   Rondo2287    Kenyon Martin
3   17   6:30 PM      Portland Blazers   The Walker Wiggle    Amir Johnson
3   18   6:40 PM   Cleveland Cavaliers, Sac KingsPacers JR Smith
3   19   6:50 PM      Orlando Magic   theswitch    OJ Mayo
3   20   7:00 PM   NY KnicksMagic Jarrett Jack
3   21   7:10 PM      Memphis Grizzlies   GreenFaith1819    Michael Redd
3   22   7:20 PM      Boston Celtics   Edgar    Ray Felton
3   23   7:30 PM      Min T-Wolves   33-00-32    Ersan Ilyasova
3   24   7:40 PM      LA Lakers   Who    Thabo Sefolosha
3   25   7:50 PM      Chicago Bulls   slamtheking    Jason Thompson
3   26   8:00 PM      LA Clippers   Bahku    ZaZa Pachulia
3   27   8:10 PM      Miami Heat   KCatTheStripe    Udonis Haslem
3   28   8:20 PM      OKC Thunder   Lucky17    Enes Kanter

[Fafnir]

Detroit Pistons Trade: 4.14, 6.14
Orlando Magic Trade: Jarrett Jack, 9.19.

[Who]

No love for the Kenyon Martin pick?

Definitely. Really good guy to put alongside Al Jefferson.

[Roy H.]

If Haslem is still out there, he's KC's guy. Heat draft Haslem.

Very nice. Best power forward on the board.

I don't know...  He's played very poorly this year.  He's been below-average defensively, and his shooting percentage is around 40%.  He's putting up 6 points and 8 rebounds (still very respectable).

Is a poor defending, poor scoring, good rebounding big man with leadership skills that useful?  And is Haslem's decline an aberration, or a fall off?

[The Walker Wiggle]

Thompson and Thabo were both great picks and folks I was looking at for 4.6, [dang]

The Lakers are going to be impossible to score on.

I do like Thabo. And maybe he wasn't the reach I thought.

Thompson, I must be missing something about him.

Also, Ilyasova has been playing well of late. I'm not sure if he's an ideal third big for Minny, but they could run some of the same plays for him that they've drawn up for Love.

I'd have to look again at the stats, but is there a big difference between Amir and JT this season?

That's one reason I enjoy these drafts. I took a look and it’s much closer than I thought. Amir is a year younger, more efficient and he's a shot blocker. Thompson's not. But elsewhere it's a wash or he's just edging Jason out.

[Roy H.]

No love for the Kenyon Martin pick?

I want to see him play more first.  Right now, he's having a minimal impact.

[Who]

If Haslem is still out there, he's KC's guy. Heat draft Haslem.

Very nice. Best power forward on the board.

I don't know...  He's played very poorly this year.  He's been below-average defensively, and his shooting percentage is around 40%.  He's putting up 6 points and 8 rebounds (still very respectable).

Is a poor defending, poor scoring, good rebounding big man with leadership skills that useful?  And is Haslem's decline an aberration, or a fall off?

I knew his shooting numbers sucked but I haven't seen Miami play much this season. Has his defensive play really fallen off that much?

[StartOrien]

JR Swoosh still on the block ya'all.

Why are you trading JR Smith? You only drafted him a little while ago?

Logic sent in PM form!

[Redz]

Two trades today:

Received:

Cousins, Jack (3.20), 4.11, 9.19

Traded:

Ellis, M. Brooks (3.13), 4.14, 6.14

pretty happy with that

[Roy H.]

If Haslem is still out there, he's KC's guy. Heat draft Haslem.

Very nice. Best power forward on the board.

I don't know...  He's played very poorly this year.  He's been below-average defensively, and his shooting percentage is around 40%.  He's putting up 6 points and 8 rebounds (still very respectable).

Is a poor defending, poor scoring, good rebounding big man with leadership skills that useful?  And is Haslem's decline an aberration, or a fall off?

I knew his shooting numbers sucked but I haven't seen Miami play much this season. Has his defensive play really fallen off that much?

Yeah.  It's hard to tell since Miami plays a lot of up-tempo ball, but looking at Synergy, he ranks 236th in points allowed per possession.  If you look at counterpart production on 82games.com, he's getting handily outplayed at both power forward and center.

It's a big surprise to me, because I'm a huge Haslem fan.  We'll see if he plays through whatever rust he might have.

[Redz]

PG - Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack
SG - Gerald Henderson
SF -
PF - Greg Monroe
C  - DeMarcus Cousins

Jack gives me a solid vet to steady the ship while Knight gets his legs.  Probably grab a veteran for the SF spot.