The clippers pick from the perk trade was smart

[Edgar]

Ainge >>>>>>> CelticsBloggers.

Overall, yes, absolutely.

That said, there are plenty of individual decisions that Danny gets wrong that bloggers would have gotten right.  Case in point:  passing on DeAndre Jordan in favor of J.R. Giddens. 

You can't just point to a decision and say "Ainge made it, so it must be right".  It doesn't work that way; he's as fallible as anyone else.

except me as fantasy GM

[Roy H.]

Ainge >>>>>>> CelticsBloggers.

Overall, yes, absolutely.

That said, there are plenty of individual decisions that Danny gets wrong that bloggers would have gotten right.  Case in point:  passing on DeAndre Jordan in favor of J.R. Giddens. 

You can't just point to a decision and say "Ainge made it, so it must be right".  It doesn't work that way; he's as fallible as anyone else.

except me as fantasy GM

True, Edgar.  You're so dominant that the league had to conspire to hold you do via vetoes.     That's about the only thing in the past year that I've found even more distasteful than the Perk trade.

[bbd24]

Roy, is it safe to say that your not a big fan of this years draft class that will be picked mid to late 1st round ?

Who knows where everybody falls of course, but in a deep draft, I fail to see how having a large cap exception (8M) would be better than say, the 24th pick.

Wouldn't you rather use the money saved on Perkins for another body, and also have the mid 20's pick (or wherever it lands) ?  Isn't that essentially 2 for 1 ?

I see what your saying about getting a body with the large cap exception, but don't see how that is better for the future when you can add a player via a deep draft and use Perkins money saved elsewhere.   

[mctyson]

What happens when Ainge finds a Rondo type impact player and a player better than Perkins with the two picks in this upcoming draft ?

What in our draft history would lead you to believe that this is going to happen?

Didn't Ainge draft both Rondo & Perkins ? Tough to go by history as every draft is different regardless.

In a deep draft, I'm not counting Ainge out of anything. 

Exactly...Danny built up this team by drafting in the mid to late first round.  He has done a great job through the draft, save for Gerald Green.  I for one am glad he sent Perkins packing.

[LooseCannon]

Deep draft or not, it's more likely than not that the 24th pick fails to contribute much of value.  I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but you'll never convince me that it was worth trading Perk for a late 1st rounder.  Heck, Semih + Harangody landed almost as much (a future Minnesota #2). 

Worst case scenario, we would have landed a large cap exception for Perk.  I'd say an $8 million exception is worth as much as that #24 pick. 

Can you explain the trade exception rule (or point me to a link)?

It used to be my understanding that these could emerge with trades to teams who are under the cap and therefore don't have salary to match in trades.  But I think LA's current big exception is from the Odom deal in Dallas -- a team well over the cap.  It seems that with trade exceptions the need to match salaries in a trade is moot. But I am guessing I am missing something...

Didn't LA get the deal done with Dallas using their own trade exception from...Dampier maybe? I forget...

The trade exception that permitted the Odom deal came from the sign-and-trade of Tyson Chandler to the Knicks.

It's not impossible that the exception could expire without the Lakers using it.

[Inside-Out]

What happens when Ainge finds a Rondo type impact player and a player better than Perkins with the two picks in this upcoming draft ?

What in our draft history would lead you to believe that this is going to happen?

Didn't Ainge draft both Rondo & Perkins ? Tough to go by history as every draft is different regardless.

In a deep draft, I'm not counting Ainge out of anything. 

Exactly...Danny built up this team by drafting in the mid to late first round.  He has done a great job through the draft, save for Gerald Green.  I for one am glad he sent Perkins packing.

I'll probably get slammed for writing this, but I feel bad for the whole Gerald Green situation.  He was so, so young and needed to develop within a system, but ended up getting bounced from system to system.  I might always wonder what might have happened if he had the consistency and time that other project/prospects out of HS had (like Perk).

Okay...trash me now.

[Roy H.]

Roy, is it safe to say that your not a big fan of this years draft class that will be picked mid to late 1st round ?

I'm not a huge fan of the last third of the first round in *any* draft.  Historically, the vast majority of those players aren't stars in the league.

With a cap exception, we could have acquired a guy starting around $8 million.  That's enough for a David West, or Lamar Odom, or Kris Humphries.  If we hadn't made the Perk trade, that probably would have been enough to sign Jeff Green (while still having the benefit of Perk as we pursued a championship).  Or, we could have used the exception to absorb some other team's bad contract, while picking up other draft picks.  There were a lot of options.

To me, those possibilities are more valuable in both the short and long term than the player we're likely to land at #24.

[ScottHow]

I guess you can look at it like the pick is a nice consolation prize for a bad trade.

[Roy H.]

What happens when Ainge finds a Rondo type impact player and a player better than Perkins with the two picks in this upcoming draft ?

What in our draft history would lead you to believe that this is going to happen?

Didn't Ainge draft both Rondo & Perkins ? Tough to go by history as every draft is different regardless.

In a deep draft, I'm not counting Ainge out of anything. 

Exactly...Danny built up this team by drafting in the mid to late first round.  He has done a great job through the draft, save for Gerald Green.  I for one am glad he sent Perkins packing.

I'll probably get slammed for writing this, but I feel bad for the whole Gerald Green situation.  He was so, so young and needed to develop within a system, but ended up getting bounced from system to system.  I might always wonder what might have happened if he had the consistency and time that other project/prospects out of HS had (like Perk).

Okay...trash me now.

The difference between Gerald and Perk was that Perk worked his butt off to get better.  Gerald, on the other hand, was criticized repeatedly for his failure to put in the necessary work to improve.

[Inside-Out]

What happens when Ainge finds a Rondo type impact player and a player better than Perkins with the two picks in this upcoming draft ?

What in our draft history would lead you to believe that this is going to happen?

Didn't Ainge draft both Rondo & Perkins ? Tough to go by history as every draft is different regardless.

In a deep draft, I'm not counting Ainge out of anything. 

Exactly...Danny built up this team by drafting in the mid to late first round.  He has done a great job through the draft, save for Gerald Green.  I for one am glad he sent Perkins packing.

I'll probably get slammed for writing this, but I feel bad for the whole Gerald Green situation.  He was so, so young and needed to develop within a system, but ended up getting bounced from system to system.  I might always wonder what might have happened if he had the consistency and time that other project/prospects out of HS had (like Perk).

Okay...trash me now.

The difference between Gerald and Perk was that Perk worked his butt off to get better.  Gerald, on the other hand, was criticized repeatedly for his failure to put in the necessary work to improve.

Absolutely.  He needed a different kind of work than the fat kid we drafted in Perk, but that seems to be the story that followed him.  Scoring seems to have come so naturally to him he didn't feel pressed to improve the rest of his game.

I still wonder, though, if he had landed on a team like the current C's where he would have had vets to hold him accountable...instead of just a frustrated (and injured in 07) Pierce.

[toneskeet]

The following are the between #15 - #25 picks of recent drafts. There are still high talent guys available where our picks (both should be)

2011
K. Leonard
I. Shumpart
C. Singleton
T. Harris
R. Jackson
M. Brooks

2010
L. Sanders
E. Bledsoe
A. Bradley

2009
A. Daye
J. Holliday
T. Lawson
J. Teague
E. Maynor
D. Collison
O. Caspi
R. Beubois

2008
R. Lopez
M. Speights
R. Hibbert
J. McGee
J.J Hickson
C. Lee
S. Ibaka
N. Batum

2007
R. Stucky
N. Young
J. Dudley
W. Chandler
R. Fernandez

2006
R. Rondo
K. Lowry
S. Brown

I suggest you guys check out the drafts, there are MANY more players in the #26 - #30 range too.

[wdleehi]

The following are the between #15 - #25 picks of recent drafts. There are still high talent guys available where our picks (both should be)

2011
K. Leonard
I. Shumpart
C. Singleton
T. Harris
R. Jackson
M. Brooks

2010
L. Sanders
E. Bledsoe
A. Bradley

2009
A. Daye
J. Holliday
T. Lawson
J. Teague
E. Maynor
D. Collison
O. Caspi
R. Beubois

2008
R. Lopez
M. Speights
R. Hibbert
J. McGee
J.J Hickson
C. Lee
S. Ibaka
N. Batum

2007
R. Stucky
N. Young
J. Dudley
W. Chandler
R. Fernandez

2006
R. Rondo
K. Lowry
S. Brown

I suggest you guys check out the drafts, there are MANY more players in the #26 - #30 range too.

The Celtics are looking at the 20-26 range from that pick.  Not 15 to 25

[lepoooo]

Where does the 24th pick you are all talking about comes from?

We have 2 picks in 2012, right?

The Celtics pick: NO WAY the C's pick at 24 this year (24th = 7th best record in the league).

The Clippers pick: do you really think the Clippers are gonna end the year with the 7th best record in the league? I don't

[wdleehi]

Where does the 24th pick you are all talking about comes from?

We have 2 picks in 2012, right?

The Celtics pick: NO WAY the C's pick at 24 this year (24th = 7th best record in the league).

Which would have been the case if Perk was traded in the off season as well.

The Clippers pick: do you really think the Clippers are gonna end the year with the 7th best record in the league? I don't

They currently have the 8th best record in the league.  Not a huge stretch to see them move up one more spot.

[Roy H.]

Where does the 24th pick you are all talking about comes from?

If the season ended today, the Clippers would be picking 24th.  There's a long way to go, but thus far, the Clippers have been an excellent team.