The clippers pick from the perk trade was smart

[Chief]

Not like Doc will play any of these soon to be rookies. Well unless they are named Rivers.

[Roy H.]

I think people tend to forget that Perk was not only a near-perpetual injury risk (shoulder, too)...

People don't remember this because it isn't true.

He had missed a total of 24 games in four seasons prior to last year.  That's 6 games per year.  That's hardly a "near-perpetual injury risk".  Among our starters, only Rondo had missed fewer games (with a total of 12 over that four year span).

Perk was remarkably durable here until his knee injury.  He had some minor injuries, but always recovered quickly.  His shoulder was a nuisance, but didn't really cost him a lot of time on the court and didn't affect his game in any way.

[mgent]

I'm sorry, can I just get a quick explanation of how it's gotten smarter?  I think it's fairly obvious that it's gotten dumber.  Danny didn't care about getting that pick next year.  In fact, he might have been happy with that extra 1-2mil in cap space next summer.  He probably expected the Clippers to suck, like they did last year and every year they've existed.

I don't see how you could label the Clippers getting better as anything other than "worst case scenario."  Ideally Griffin would've hit the rookie wall, the Clippers would underachieve for a few years, and Danny walks away with an unprotected lotto.  Or they would have slightly overachieved and handed us the ~#11 pick to pair with our mid-teens pick and possibly a sign and traded Green to move up and get Rivers or other Dwight bait.

[Inside-Out]

I think people tend to forget that Perk was not only a near-perpetual injury risk (shoulder, too)...

People don't remember this because it isn't true.

He had missed a total of 24 games in four seasons prior to last year.  That's 6 games per year.  That's hardly a "near-perpetual injury risk".  Among our starters, only Rondo had missed fewer games (with a total of 12 over that four year span).

Perk was remarkably durable here until his knee injury.  He had some minor injuries, but always recovered quickly.  His shoulder was a nuisance, but didn't really cost him a lot of time on the court and didn't affect his game in any way.

Touche. 

My memory seems to recall him playing hurt for extended periods of time due to the shoulder.  Regardless, there is an element of risk there, not as significant by any stretch as a leg injury (knee, ankle, foot), but another ding in the paint, so to speak.

I have no idea why the guy never averaged over 30 minutes, though.  That really irks me.

[LooseCannon]

Do we still have the Bird rights to Jeff Green now that we voided his contract?

As I understand, the Celtics still have Bird rights for Jeff Green.  (They also have Bird rights for Nenad Krstic).  Still, they'd probably have to renounce those rights if the team signs a major free agent.

[mgent]

danny was gambling the present with the future last year...it hasnt worked out so well for the present...but the jury is still out on how it will work out for the future.

Aside from the fact that Danny outright denied this, it doesn't make sense.  I know it was a common argument for people that blindly wanted to see good in the trade, but we don't have any reason to believe that Green was brought in as a piece for the future.  Why would you just throw away the cap space that you worked hard to preserve, especially for a mediocre player who doesn't offer much aside from scoring (which was inflated from playing out of position with a constant speed adv.), and ESPECIALLY when we already have ~15mil tied up in that position going to a well-aging HOFer.

He was brought in to be a Marquis/struggling Nate replacement and give us a smallball/shooting lineup to close games because neither O'Neal could do so (which he didn't even do because he couldn't outplay an injured and then struggling Baby).  

It was a gamble on Shaq not the future.

[pearljammer10]

I would much rather have Perkins than a couple of late round rookies that wont see any minutes for a full season, maybe 2.

[mgent]

I have no idea why the guy never averaged over 30 minutes, though.  That really irks me.

Combination of bad FT shooting/spacing, competent backups (Posey, Sheed, Powe), KG's ability to play C, and getting countless bad calls on him because he likes to make refs wet their pants with that handsome mug (in addition to the PFs he earned due to the C's aggressive defense and his lack of foot speed).

[Roy H.]

I have no idea why the guy never averaged over 30 minutes, though.  That really irks me.

Combination of bad FT shooting/spacing, competent backups (Posey, Sheed, Powe), KG's ability to play C, and getting countless bad calls on him because he likes to make refs wet their pants with that handsome mug (in addition to the PFs he earned due to the C's aggressive defense and his lack of foot speed).

... plus a coach who likes small ball.

[LooseCannon]

Perk didn't get that much PT at the end of games.  I still maintain that one of the main reasons for the trade was sending away someone who often wasn't part of the crunch time lineup for someone that Ainge hoped would replace Glen Davis in that spot.  So, you can blame Big Baby for the Perk trade.

[Inside-Out]

At the risk of hijacking the thread for a moot point, I don't buy any of the above reasons why Perk never averaged 30 minutes.

He didn't play end of games due to FT shooting, fine.  No reason not to play 36 some other time.

Who were those backups?  Posey wasn't a C, and Powe wasn't a C either, and KG played limited minutes at the 5 (BBD guarded bigs in the post).

And I don't really think it was fouls most of the time, either.  His highest PF avg is 3.3, suggesting that wasn't the reason for limited PT.


Glad to have the pick for sure, though.  One thing Danny has been smart about is being protective of picks and not trading them away easily.

[mgent]

Perk didn't get that much PT at the end of games.  I still maintain that one of the main reasons for the trade was sending away someone who often wasn't part of the crunch time lineup for someone that Ainge hoped would replace Glen Davis in that spot.  So, you can blame Big Baby for the Perk trade.

Oh, you can blame Big Baby for a lot more than that.

[mgent]

At the risk of hijacking the thread for a moot point, I don't buy any of the above reasons why Perk never averaged 30 minutes.

He didn't play end of games due to FT shooting, fine.  No reason not to play 36 some other time.

Who were those backups?  Posey wasn't a C, and Powe wasn't a C either, and KG played limited minutes at the 5 (BBD guarded bigs in the post).

And I don't really think it was fouls most of the time, either.  His highest PF avg is 3.3, suggesting that wasn't the reason for limited PT.


Glad to have the pick for sure, though.  One thing Danny has been smart about is being protective of picks and not trading them away easily.

Perkins played a large majority of the minutes with the starters and Doc used to use a lot of different lineups for small minutes.  Posey was typically first off the bench for Perk, and finished a lot of games for him especially come playoff time.  In 07 it was him, Brown, Davis, and Powe did play some time at C next to Posey.  The next year it was a lot more Baby, and KG still played C next to Powe and a significant amount next to Scals.  Then it was all Sheed and last year it was a lot of Baby again.

So this year is the first time KG has really played C in two years, but he did play it a decent amount back in the day.  As for the other guys that backed up Perk, I can't really complain about any of them being less than "competent" unless you count the limited Semih and Mikki Moore minutes (I did complain about Baby but only after the trade when he was JO and Krstic's backup).

As for your other comments, I guess Doc didn't think it was reasonable to play Perk for a straight 36 out of the first 40 minutes.  Also, the league leaders in PFs are usually around 3.5 (remember they usually only get 1 or 2 and that averages out the 4s and 5s), and it only takes 2 in the first Q to sit down.  Then if he gets that 3rd when he comes back in he goes right back out and ends that game with around 20min.  Unfortunately, foul trouble wasn't always a rare occurrence for Perk and other defensive players like Noah, Dwight, Chandler.

[bbd24]

What happens when Ainge finds a Rondo type impact player and a player better than Perkins with the two picks in this upcoming draft ?

[wdleehi]

What happens when Ainge finds a Rondo type impact player and a player better than Perkins with the two picks in this upcoming draft ?

He would have been able to find such a player with the pick the Celtics already had.  (if there is such a player to find.  How many Rondo type players has he drafted?)