Rubio > Rondo, right?

[BballTim]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

  Yes. Kind of like the straw man a day or two ago, the one about people claiming that you can surround Rondo with a bunch of role players and still compete for a title. Oh, wait! I guess that tactic's employed by people who criticize Rondo at every opportunity.

Of course, by "people" you mean me.  Well, I've heard that specific argument before.  Granted, I can't give you any specific quotes, but some people on this forum have definitely proposed that we can compete moving forward by just surrounding Rondo with some athletic role players and playing an up-tempo style.

On the other hand, I've never seen anybody suggest that Devin Harris, Mo Williams, or Sebastian Telfair are better than Rondo (at least not in the last 4 years with respect to the latter).

  I've seen Harris and Williams, Felton, House, Calderon and a host of others over the last few years.

[PosImpos]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

  Yes. Kind of like the straw man a day or two ago, the one about people claiming that you can surround Rondo with a bunch of role players and still compete for a title. Oh, wait! I guess that tactic's employed by people who criticize Rondo at every opportunity.

Of course, by "people" you mean me.  Well, I've heard that specific argument before.  Granted, I can't give you any specific quotes, but some people on this forum have definitely proposed that we can compete moving forward by just surrounding Rondo with some athletic role players and playing an up-tempo style.

On the other hand, I've never seen anybody suggest that Devin Harris, Mo Williams, or Sebastian Telfair are better than Rondo (at least not in the last 4 years with respect to the latter).

  I've seen Harris and Williams, Felton, House, Calderon and a host of others over the last few years.

Well, put me on the record as considering any such assertions as completely ridiculous.

[CeltsAcumen]

Rondo's an all star and was on a championship team. Rubio wasn't even the best player on the Spainish Olympic squad.  So I would say no.  Rondo > Rubio.

[Boris Badenov]

Rondo's an all star and was on a championship team. Rubio wasn't even the best player on the Spainish Olympic squad.  So I would say no.  Rondo > Rubio.

1. Given that it's before the all-star game in Rubio's rookie season, it is literally impossible for Rubio to have been an all-star or to have been on a championship team.


2. Rondo isn't even one of the 20 finalists for the US olympic team...and Rubio was 18 when he was on that Olympic squad.

[Eja117]

I mean if Kahn went nuts, forgiving the money aspect of things, and offered Rubio for Rondo we should accept it in a nano second and send our best apple pie too, right? 

Mmmm.. No.



Rubio has played well. But he is getting big minutes on a bad team. I mean, seriously?

He also played well for long periods of time at the highest levels in europe and the Olympics at a very young age. This isn't your typical Marshon Brookisish rookie catching lightning in a bottle for a couple games.

[Celtics18]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!  

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

What straw man arguments?  Go to 82games and check out Rondo's assist stats in crunch time last season. Those are real statistics.  Just as real as the ones about Ricky Rubio through 10 games so far this season.

According to you the fact that Rubio gets alot of assists late in game means he's a clutch performer, when Rondo does it, it means that he's "disappearing."

But, I know, you are just being objective.

[2short]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

  Yes. Kind of like the straw man a day or two ago, the one about people claiming that you can surround Rondo with a bunch of role players and still compete for a title. Oh, wait! I guess that tactic's employed by people who criticize Rondo at every opportunity.

Of course, by "people" you mean me.  Well, I've heard that specific argument before.  Granted, I can't give you any specific quotes, but some people on this forum have definitely proposed that we can compete moving forward by just surrounding Rondo with some athletic role players and playing an up-tempo style.

On the other hand, I've never seen anybody suggest that Devin Harris, Mo Williams, or Sebastian Telfair are better than Rondo (at least not in the last 4 years with respect to the latter).

  I've seen Harris and Williams, Felton, House, Calderon and a host of others over the last few years.

I do remember people here posting that harris was a better point guard.  I even remember TJ Ford being mentioned , there are a group here who simply dislike rondo, doesn't matter what anyone says (even tommy calling him a hall of famer in the making a few years ago)
my thought is the rondo haters would just jump ship to someone else if rondo was no longer on team

[jambr380]

Rondo's an all star and was on a championship team. Rubio wasn't even the best player on the Spainish Olympic squad.  So I would say no.  Rondo > Rubio.

1. Given that it's before the all-star game in Rubio's rookie season, it is literally impossible for Rubio to have been an all-star or to have been on a championship team.


2. Rondo isn't even one of the 20 finalists for the US olympic team...and Rubio was 18 when he was on that Olympic squad.

This is kind of a weird argument. Obviously players in Spain don't compare to those in the U.S. in terms of overall talent. I get where you are coming from, but that is a tough one.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Rondo's an all star and was on a championship team. Rubio wasn't even the best player on the Spainish Olympic squad.  So I would say no.  Rondo > Rubio.

1. Given that it's before the all-star game in Rubio's rookie season, it is literally impossible for Rubio to have been an all-star or to have been on a championship team.


2. Rondo isn't even one of the 20 finalists for the US olympic team...and Rubio was 18 when he was on that Olympic squad.

This is kind of a weird argument. Obviously players in Spain don't compare to those in the U.S. in terms of overall talent. I get where you are coming from, but that is a tough one.

 

That was my point, actually. You can't use where the players ranked on their Olympic teams, or Rubio's number of all-star appearances and championships, as a tool for comparing the two players...

[aporel#18]

no, right now Rondo>Rubio.

If Rondo has hit his ceiling (I don't think that's the case, even at his age), then Rubio could be a better overall player, but we must give him more time to show if he can play at this level consistently.

I love Rubio, he was amazing at age 14, but during his last two years in Spain he's been questioned a lot. He didn't play as well as everybody expected. Maybe it was Xavi Pascual system, or maybe he was living something like a sophomore slump, after playing amazingly for Joventut and being drafted and shipped to Barça. The spanish media are in awe, because nobody trusted his chances in the NBA, so we must let him be a rookie. NBA game is more suited for him than FIBA basket, but it's too early to know if he can dominate games in the NBA.

Rondo, he can dominate games in this league, but he doesn't seem focused on that. His teammates aren't helping a lot, sure. I hope this is just an extended preseason for the C's, and they start playing Celtic ball as soon as possible. They probably won't be the best team in the league, but they can do a lot better.

I'd give a lot of credit to Adelman for Ricky's good start, he's managing Ricky perfectly. I'm sure he learned a lot 20 years ago, when he didn't know how to integrate Drazen Petrovic on the Blazers.

Maybe is homerism, but Rondo is a better player than what he's showing right now, and we'll be witnesses. Go Celtics!

[PosImpos]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

What straw man arguments?

"People on this blog probably think [insert list of obviously inferior score-first point guards here] are better than Rondo!"

According to you the fact that Rubio gets alot of assists late in game means he's a clutch performer, when Rondo does it, it means that he's "disappearing."

I never said any such thing.

[ianboyextreme]

no, right now Rondo>Rubio.

If Rondo has hit his ceiling (I don't think that's the case, even at his age), then Rubio could be a better overall player, but we must give him more time to show if he can play at this level consistently.

I love Rubio, he was amazing at age 14, but during his last two years in Spain he's been questioned a lot. He didn't play as well as everybody expected. Maybe it was Xavi Pascual system, or maybe he was living something like a sophomore slump, after playing amazingly for Joventut and being drafted and shipped to Barça. The spanish media are in awe, because nobody trusted his chances in the NBA, so we must let him be a rookie. NBA game is more suited for him than FIBA basket, but it's too early to know if he can dominate games in the NBA.

Rondo, he can dominate games in this league, but he doesn't seem focused on that. His teammates aren't helping a lot, sure. I hope this is just an extended preseason for the C's, and they start playing Celtic ball as soon as possible. They probably won't be the best team in the league, but they can do a lot better.

I'd give a lot of credit to Adelman for Ricky's good start, he's managing Ricky perfectly. I'm sure he learned a lot 20 years ago, when he didn't know how to integrate Drazen Petrovic on the Blazers.

Maybe is homerism, but Rondo is a better player than what he's showing right now, and we'll be witnesses. Go Celtics!

What do you mean? Rondo has been playing great all season. Anyone else notice he was a rebound and an assist from another triple double against OKC?

[Celtics18]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

What straw man arguments?

"People on this blog probably think [insert list of obviously inferior score-first point guards here] are better than Rondo!"

According to you the fact that Rubio gets alot of assists late in game means he's a clutch performer, when Rondo does it, it means that he's "disappearing."

I never said any such thing.

What you did say was, "at a time in the game when Rondo tends to disappear and defer, Rubio steps up."

I apologize for paraphrasing.

[PosImpos]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

What straw man arguments?

"People on this blog probably think [insert list of obviously inferior score-first point guards here] are better than Rondo!"

According to you the fact that Rubio gets alot of assists late in game means he's a clutch performer, when Rondo does it, it means that he's "disappearing."

I never said any such thing.

What you did say was, "at a time in the game when Rondo tends to disappear and defer, Rubio steps up."

I apologize for paraphrasing.

what you wrote wasnt paraphrasing, it was altering the meaning of what i wrote, adding a correlation that i never asserted

[Celtics18]

There's probably people on this blog who still believe Devin Harris and Mo Williams are better than Rondo.  Heck, I bet people still pine for Sebass.

Whatever!   

I don't know about that, but I know one thing for sure -- people love straw man arguments on this blog, especially those who defend Rondo against any and all criticism.

What straw man arguments?

"People on this blog probably think [insert list of obviously inferior score-first point guards here] are better than Rondo!"

According to you the fact that Rubio gets alot of assists late in game means he's a clutch performer, when Rondo does it, it means that he's "disappearing."

I never said any such thing.

What you did say was, "at a time in the game when Rondo tends to disappear and defer, Rubio steps up."

I apologize for paraphrasing.

what you wrote wasnt paraphrasing, it was altering the meaning of what i wrote, adding a correlation that i never asserted

I'm sorry for the confusion, but you did say that Rondo "tends to disappear and defer."  I also took you to mean that the fact that Rubio has been dishing out a lot of 4th quarter assists is what has led you to the conclusion that he "steps up."

The stats show that Rondo has been one of the best in the league at assisting his teammates for baskets late in close games.  Yet, according to you he "disappears" and Rubio steps up.  I don't get it.