Avery can't play

[bfrombleacher]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Yeah, but keep in mind that most folks on here think they could do a better job at GMing than Danny Ainge, that Bill Belichick is a hack, and that Terry Francona was a joke.

Tommy Point!

[RajonRondOWNED]

AB needs to stop taking Moores minutes and shots. Sorry.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

[YouGotRondo d]

Bradley has absolutely zero offensive awareness. I would liken him to Gerald Green in that regard.

I don't know if this ability can really be "learned". It seems like more of a natural thing. He plays very fast with no pace and no confidence.

As a small guard, you can't be a purely defensive player in this league, not as a rotation player.

IMO, he is on pace to be in the D-League. I hope I am wrong.

[kgiessler]

Umm, that was highschool.

Danny hasn't had a real hit in the draft since BBD in 07 yikes.

I think Bill Walker is the only guy who's still in the league.

I know right?  You'd think a guy with pick numbers 60/30, 58, and 52/19 would be able to find a real hit in the draft.  Those are the kind of picks where you expect them coming into the league as NBA ready players.  Unacceptable Danny.  Yikes.

[Celts Fan 92]

Stop wit the hes only 21 excuse in todays NBA age doesnt matter either you have the IT factor or you dont his offense is way below average at this point since hes a part of this team im hoping he can have a solid career but as of right now its lookin bleak he definently wont be a star like a few people in this thread think

[threats13]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

[33_Larry Legend_33]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I'm not concerned about him being "successful" - that's not really the point.

The point is that a rookie 2nd round pick has basically passed him up on the depth chart.  Avery needs to be better than the competition he's facing, and he's proving he's not cutting it.

It's not about what the other 19 years olds are doing...it's about what his teammates are doing, and he's falling behind because he's not a PG, but he owns a PG body.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I don't need to find you the names to know that HUNDREDS of 21 y.o. (because that's about how young players are b/c no one stays in college long anymore if ever) come in and play MUCH better on O than Bradely DAY 1!!! You say it as if everyone before Bradley was older than 21 coming into the league!!!

[threats13]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I'm not concerned about him being "successful" - that's not really the point.

The point is that a rookie 2nd round pick has basically passed him up on the depth chart.  Avery needs to be better than the competition he's facing, and he's proving he's not cutting it.

It's not about what the other 19 years olds are doing...it's about what his teammates are doing, and he's falling behind because he's not a PG, but he owns a PG body.

I sure hope that Moore has passed him on the depth chart.  He played 4 years of college to Avery's one.  Never missed significant time in college. And played overseas where he played extremely well.  If Moore came to the team and wasnt more mentally prepared to make the jump to NBA ball i would be very worried about Moores future in the league.

[threats13]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I don't need to find you the names to know that HUNDREDS of 21 y.o. (because that's about how young players are b/c no one stays in college long anymore if ever) come in and play MUCH better on O than Bradely DAY 1!!! You say it as if everyone before Bradley was older than 21 coming into the league!!!

the point is Bradleys growth has been severely stunted by injury and the lockout and to give the guy 2 preseason games, the only time hes actually played significant minutes in his career, and crucify him as a terrible player is unjust and illogical.

[dtrader]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I'm not concerned about him being "successful" - that's not really the point.

The point is that a rookie 2nd round pick has basically passed him up on the depth chart.  Avery needs to be better than the competition he's facing, and he's proving he's not cutting it.

It's not about what the other 19 years olds are doing...it's about what his teammates are doing, and he's falling behind because he's not a PG, but he owns a PG body.

I sure hope that Moore has passed him on the depth chart.  He played 4 years of college to Avery's one.  Never missed significant time in college. And played overseas where he played extremely well.  If Moore came to the team and wasnt more mentally prepared to make the jump to NBA ball i would be very worried about Moores future in the league.

If we can admit that Moore already looks more promising than Bradley, then whats the point of having Bradley?  Moore is already looking solid on both sides of the ball, and playing with confidence.  If there are only so many minutes to go around, and Moore is at this point more deserving of them, why keep Bradley?  The TA comparisons aren't really accurate, cuz TA is a lo bigger than Bradley.  Bradley is listed at 6'1 or 6'2, bu he looks WAY smaller than Moore on the court, so I think his height is closer to 6'.  I see no reason to keep around a 6' tall defensive specialist, that can't run point.

[YouGotRondo d]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I'm not concerned about him being "successful" - that's not really the point.

The point is that a rookie 2nd round pick has basically passed him up on the depth chart.  Avery needs to be better than the competition he's facing, and he's proving he's not cutting it.

It's not about what the other 19 years olds are doing...it's about what his teammates are doing, and he's falling behind because he's not a PG, but he owns a PG body.

I sure hope that Moore has passed him on the depth chart.  He played 4 years of college to Avery's one.  Never missed significant time in college. And played overseas where he played extremely well.  If Moore came to the team and wasnt more mentally prepared to make the jump to NBA ball i would be very worried about Moores future in the league.

If we can admit that Moore already looks more promising than Bradley, then whats the point of having Bradley?  Moore is already looking solid on both sides of the ball, and playing with confidence.  If there are only so many minutes to go around, and Moore is at this point more deserving of them, why keep Bradley?  The TA comparisons aren't really accurate, cuz TA is a lo bigger than Bradley.  Bradley is listed at 6'1 or 6'2, bu he looks WAY smaller than Moore on the court, so I think his height is closer to 6'.  I see no reason to keep around a 6' tall defensive specialist, that can't run point.

That would be an insult to TA.

Tony was a much better offensive player. I would take turnover Tony any day.

[kgiessler]

If we can admit that Moore already looks more promising than Bradley, then whats the point of having Bradley?  

Are you honestly trying to make the argument why have two potentially good players when you can have one?  What is the benefit in getting rid of him that you perceive?

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves. Youre criticizing a kid for god sakes.  He plays absolutely phenomenal defense. He will always have a place in this league if his defense stays where its at.  Look at Tony Allen all he does is play defense and slash.  We missed him sorely last year and Memphis loves him being there.  Incredible that youre going to write this kid off after 2 preseason games where he looked miles better than he did at any point last year.

Crazy argument, as if hundreds of other 21y.o. haven't been able to do it! So, are you saying b/c we can't do it we are not allowed to comment on someone else? Spare me! Like I said before, I won't give up someone on a team I root for no matter how they play but I'm not going to see roses at all times either! I HOPE AB becomes credible on O b/c that D is looking very nice, it has his entire (short) career! If AB was playing on say, the lakers, the same guys on here saying he is young (or this or that) would be saying how glad you are that the lakers pick was looking so bad on O, you would probably be calling him a bust (even w/ the really good D)!!!

Find me these HUNDREDS of other 21 year olds who were drafted at 19, missed their first summer workouts, missed their first training camp, and first half of the regular season due to a severe ankle injury. Then the following season theres a lockout that keeps players from participating in team workouts and gives them a rushed two week training camp and 2 preseason games.  You find me these HUNDREDS of successful 21 year old kids and ill give you a tommy point.

I don't need to find you the names to know that HUNDREDS of 21 y.o. (because that's about how young players are b/c no one stays in college long anymore if ever) come in and play MUCH better on O than Bradely DAY 1!!! You say it as if everyone before Bradley was older than 21 coming into the league!!!

the point is Bradleys growth has been severely stunted by injury and the lockout and to give the guy 2 preseason games, the only time hes actually played significant minutes in his career, and crucify him as a terrible player is unjust and illogical.

Sorry, you must have me confused, I NEVER said he was a terrible player! I have said he has been terrible on offense though! How can I say he is a terrible player when last season I was once again praising his defense?! When people were going in on him last season in the chatroom, I was quick to say something good about his defense (even though no one cared, b/c of how bad he looked on O)! He looks lost on offense every time he's on the floor except the one time I can remember, against the NYK! I'm not even going to argue that he is going to remain terrible on the offensive side (because I'm short of praying that he doesn't)... I am arguing that what he has shown so far has not been good!