Avery can't play

[dtrader]

If we can admit that Moore already looks more promising than Bradley, then whats the point of having Bradley?  

Are you honestly trying to make the argument why have two potentially good players when you can have one?  What is the benefit in getting rid of him that you perceive?

Opening a roster spot for a quality vet min back up SF, and saving money.  Either of those would be good, but we could probably achieve both at the same time if we dropped him.  And I'm not trying to make the argument for "why have 2 when we can have 1".  I don't think Bradley has much potential. 

I'm saying, that even for the people who DO think he has potential, what are he reasons for keeping him if Moore has MORE potential (and current ability).  They play the same position, but Moore is substantially bigger, and so far appears to be more capable.  With Dooling already entrenched as backup PG, Marquis as backup SG, and no legit backup SF, I dont see the point of keeping both players.  They can't both get adequate minutes to develop, and the biggest issue with our bench is scoring...which appears to come more naturally to Moore.

That's my argument.  Thoughts?

[xmuscularghandix]

He just has to take it to the rim harder. You guys drive me insane with these posts.

Avery Bradley was down right dominant defensively tonight.

[xmuscularghandix]

I just looked back through this entire thread and I'm seriously considering leaving this board forever. 

[kgiessler]

If we can admit that Moore already looks more promising than Bradley, then whats the point of having Bradley? 

Are you honestly trying to make the argument why have two potentially good players when you can have one?  What is the benefit in getting rid of him that you perceive?

Opening a roster spot for a quality vet min back up SF, and saving money.  Either of those would be good, but we could probably achieve both at the same time if we dropped him.  And I'm not trying to make the argument for "why have 2 when we can have 1".  I don't think Bradley has much potential. 

I'm saying, that even for the people who DO think he has potential, what are he reasons for keeping him if Moore has MORE potential (and current ability).  They play the same position, but Moore is substantially bigger, and so far appears to be more capable.  With Dooling already entrenched as backup PG, Marquis as backup SG, and no legit backup SF, I dont see the point of keeping both players.  They can't both get adequate minutes to develop, and the biggest issue with our bench is scoring...which appears to come more naturally to Moore.

That's my argument.  Thoughts?

I'll agree that even with only a tiny bit of play time to judge the two of them on, Moore appears better. 

That being said, AB remains the youngest player on the team, by 20 months.  His rookie season was thrown off kilter by an injury and he's only seen 162 minutes of play. 

I'm under the impression that MD will be used as a backup SF more, especially considering he was the starter in the prior game.  He was also playing SF last season.  That means the SF currently has 4 players, the deepest on the depth chart: PP, MD, SP, and GB.  GB is a full 3 years older than AB.  I just don't think there is a potential for a breakout year for him, and if anyone should be cut its him.

Meanwhile, SG is 3 players deep, RA, EM, and AB.  Cut AB and it becomes only two deep.  While RA has managed to stay healthy, he's the oldest player on the team. I don't think it makes sense to have the oldest player only have one player behind him on the depth chart.

I personally think AB can end up growing in trade value this year more so than GB and if there is anyone this team doesn't need, its him.

[xmuscularghandix]

Gilbert Brown is not making this team. Doc has said that they're probably keeping 14 and leaving that last spot open. Stiemsma > Brown by ALOT

[kgiessler]

Gilbert Brown is not making this team. Doc has said that they're probably keeping 14 and leaving that last spot open. Stiemsma > Brown by ALOT

Then even less sense in cutting AB to open a roster spot. I guess they are thinking the way I am.

[vinnie]

I feel much more comfortable with Moore than AB at this point. I think it would be good to have Avery spend some time in the D League. If there is an injury, they can bring him back. He is solid defensively, but woeful on the offensive side of the ball. Moore seems to be more savvy and have more confidence.

[EJPLAYA]

Sorry guys, but he just doesn't look all that special. He plays okay defense. I think his defense is overrated. Just ask Calderon who took advantage of his stupid positioning and went all the way in on him to score. He never even got close enough to block his shot from behind. I think he is a gambler who is sometimes quick enough to steal the ball, but more often than not just gets out of position.

His offense is really poor though and his shot seems awful. Many of those shots aren't even close clanking off the side of the rim and backboard. It's one thing if a guy is shooting consistent and is just a little short or long, but his shots are scattered all over the place. He's not a good enough ball handler/playmaker to play the point, and he's too short to play the 2. He reminds me of a little more athletic Gabe Pruitt unfortunately.

I don't think he is worth cutting at this point, but I sure have seen more from Moore in 2 games than I have seen in a year and change from AB. I hope he gets it soon, because right now he looks like he's headed for Europe as a career...

[clover]

It says something that when Doc was asked last week he said he knows Bradley has an NBA-level defensive game, but he doesn't know whether he has an NBA-level offensive game--a year and a half after they drafted him.

[clover]

My real concern with AB at this point is whether he robs Moore of the quantity of playing time he needs in this shortened season to be fully ready for the playoffs.

Despite what they've got invested in them, at this point Moore merits 1st rounder treatment and AB that of a 2nd round flyer.

[Celtics4ever]

i would absolutely love to see anyone on this site at 21 years old have the mental fortitude to play at the NBA level and not have to shake off some nerves.

There are a lot of NBA guys as young as him that do quite well and not all are superstars.   If he can't stand the heat he needs to get out of the kitchen.  If he doesn't have the nerves then he doesn't belong this is a game for men not boys who are easily shaken.

[CFAN38]

The kid still is young, he isnt a pg he is a sg, was injured last year, and didnt have a real training camp this year. I look at him like this is his rookie season and for that he has shown potential. If he can start hitting his Js along with his D then he has a place of the bench in this league for years.

[hwangjini_1]

just to nudge this thread in a slightly different direction...

i think avery's value, if he has any, will be in a couple of years, not today. were i ainge, i would be willing to wait and roll the dice on the guy. you have much to gain by keeping him and little to gain by replacing him.

the celtics already have avery at a low cost. any player they pick up to replace him will not be an all star, heck, he wont even be a better than average nba player. so i dont believe avery is somehow holding the celtics back with his play.

dumping avery now doesnt really get you anyone who is going to drive this team to a championship. there are just too many problems for the 15th player to solve.

now let's fast forward a bit...2-4 years into the future. the celtics as a team are rebuilding, the big three are playing golf.

let's assume that bradley continues to play great defense. his offense? the reality is that he has shown good shooting and offense in HS and college. and honestly, in the preseason he has looked a LOT more comfortable than last year on offense. given he is 21 years old it is not outrageous to believe he MIGHT re-discover his jump shot and learn to play better offense.

avery's problems do not seem to be physical, but mental. coaches can sometimes help with such problems.

if avery can shoot the ball even close to what he has shown in HS and college, continues to play stellar defense, and hustles like he did in the preseason, he's a keeper. he will have a place on the celtics in a few years.

i imagine him coming off the bench with moore delivering immediate defense and some exciting offense - streaky thought it MAY be.

and what is the cost for the celtics to have this type of player? what will they have to give up to gain a defensive whiz with some offense off the bench?

nothing. the celtics have him already under contract and he may become a valuable piece in the rebuilding process - NOT a central part of the process, but a nice, cost-controlled player who can make the celtics more athletic, more exciting, more fun to watch.

danny should keep the kid. you gain next to nothing by dumping him, but you MIGHT gain a valuable player in 2-3 years....when you will need his skills during the rebuild.

[2short]

just to nudge this thread in a slightly different direction...

i think avery's value, if he has any, will be in a couple of years, not today. were i ainge, i would be willing to wait and roll the dice on the guy. you have much to gain by keeping him and little to gain by replacing him.

the celtics already have avery at a low cost. any player they pick up to replace him will not be an all star, heck, he wont even be a better than average nba player. so i dont believe avery is somehow holding the celtics back with his play.

dumping avery now doesnt really get you anyone who is going to drive this team to a championship. there are just too many problems for the 15th player to solve.

now let's fast forward a bit...2-4 years into the future. the celtics as a team are rebuilding, the big three are playing golf.

let's assume that bradley continues to play great defense. his offense? the reality is that he has shown good shooting and offense in HS and college. and honestly, in the preseason he has looked a LOT more comfortable than last year on offense. given he is 21 years old it is not outrageous to believe he MIGHT re-discover his jump shot and learn to play better offense.

avery's problems do not seem to be physical, but mental. coaches can sometimes help with such problems.

if avery can shoot the ball even close to what he has shown in HS and college, continues to play stellar defense, and hustles like he did in the preseason, he's a keeper. he will have a place on the celtics in a few years.

i imagine him coming off the bench with moore delivering immediate defense and some exciting offense - streaky thought it MAY be.

and what is the cost for the celtics to have this type of player? what will they have to give up to gain a defensive whiz with some offense off the bench?

nothing. the celtics have him already under contract and he may become a valuable piece in the rebuilding process - NOT a central part of the process, but a nice, cost-controlled player who can make the celtics more athletic, more exciting, more fun to watch.

danny should keep the kid. you gain next to nothing by dumping him, but you MIGHT gain a valuable player in 2-3 years....when you will need his skills during the rebuild.

My real concern with AB at this point is whether he robs Moore of the quantity of playing time he needs in this shortened season to be fully ready for the playoffs.

Despite what they've got invested in them, at this point Moore merits 1st rounder treatment and AB that of a 2nd round flyer.

while different points I agree with both, as of now bradley is getting in the way of Moore's development/playing time
I can see bradley becoming a player down the road if "it" clicks.  He can be had for little so it might be worth it to keep him on the roster.  His first step to get jump shot is quick but 1-10 or so is not a sg.  He could end up being a billups sort to come into his own 5 years into league or just never get it ala gerald green

[clover]

just to nudge this thread in a slightly different direction...

i think avery's value, if he has any, will be in a couple of years, not today. were i ainge, i would be willing to wait and roll the dice on the guy. you have much to gain by keeping him and little to gain by replacing him.

the celtics already have avery at a low cost. any player they pick up to replace him will not be an all star, heck, he wont even be a better than average nba player. so i dont believe avery is somehow holding the celtics back with his play.

dumping avery now doesnt really get you anyone who is going to drive this team to a championship. there are just too many problems for the 15th player to solve.

now let's fast forward a bit...2-4 years into the future. the celtics as a team are rebuilding, the big three are playing golf.

let's assume that bradley continues to play great defense. his offense? the reality is that he has shown good shooting and offense in HS and college. and honestly, in the preseason he has looked a LOT more comfortable than last year on offense. given he is 21 years old it is not outrageous to believe he MIGHT re-discover his jump shot and learn to play better offense.

avery's problems do not seem to be physical, but mental. coaches can sometimes help with such problems.

if avery can shoot the ball even close to what he has shown in HS and college, continues to play stellar defense, and hustles like he did in the preseason, he's a keeper. he will have a place on the celtics in a few years.

i imagine him coming off the bench with moore delivering immediate defense and some exciting offense - streaky thought it MAY be.

and what is the cost for the celtics to have this type of player? what will they have to give up to gain a defensive whiz with some offense off the bench?

nothing. the celtics have him already under contract and he may become a valuable piece in the rebuilding process - NOT a central part of the process, but a nice, cost-controlled player who can make the celtics more athletic, more exciting, more fun to watch.

danny should keep the kid. you gain next to nothing by dumping him, but you MIGHT gain a valuable player in 2-3 years....when you will need his skills during the rebuild.

I give AB a couple of weeks to look lots better and otherwise send him to d league.  He could develop there okay, but Moore clearly is ready to contribute, and in a shortened year he needs all the experience Doc can give him.