Trade Idea: KG to the Bulls

[Fafnir]

Dallas is the team that I see as the best trade destination for KG.

They want to keep 2012 flexibility open. They have a definite need for KG. They have expiring contracts to give in exchange for KG so no harm to the C's long term cap situation. They have a young prospect in Roddy Beaubois (not a great return by any means but given the lack of trade alternatives, might be the best the C's could do in a fire-sale) and maybe Dominique Jones to offer up + they may be willing to include future picks.

The problem with them is how do they match the salary? Beaubois Jones and then we need about 16 MM in salary. If they are trying to make one more run they don't trade Terry Odom,  or Kidd. We're not going to take on a multi year salary like Marion or Haywood.

Lamar Odom + prospects + cap filler ... does that work?

I don't think they have enough cap filler.

They'd have to package 4 of their lower salaried players to make it work with Odom/Roddy B./Jones

[Who]

Dallas is the team that I see as the best trade destination for KG.

They want to keep 2012 flexibility open. They have a definite need for KG. They have expiring contracts to give in exchange for KG so no harm to the C's long term cap situation. They have a young prospect in Roddy Beaubois (not a great return by any means but given the lack of trade alternatives, might be the best the C's could do in a fire-sale) and maybe Dominique Jones to offer up + they may be willing to include future picks.

The problem with them is how do they match the salary? Beaubois Jones and then we need about 16 MM in salary. If they are trying to make one more run they don't trade Terry Odom,  or Kidd. We're not going to take on a multi year salary like Marion or Haywood.

Lamar Odom + prospects + cap filler ... does that work?

Isn't Vince Carter still on the Mavs?  Or was he cut.  If he is in play his contract is expiring and is like 18.3 million.  That would seemingly be all the filler necessary.  Carter, Beaubois, Wright, and Mahinmi for Garnett.  Gives the Celtics three young cheap players to look at without long term commitment.

They signed Vince Carter to the mini-MLE ($3mil).

Looks like they'd need Odom + Vince + Roddy + D.Jones + (future picks) another $2.5 million in cap filler to make it work. They could use a retired player they hold bird rights to. Maybe leave Vince out altogether ($5.5 mil to retired player).

[Moranis]

Dallas is the team that I see as the best trade destination for KG.

They want to keep 2012 flexibility open. They have a definite need for KG. They have expiring contracts to give in exchange for KG so no harm to the C's long term cap situation. They have a young prospect in Roddy Beaubois (not a great return by any means but given the lack of trade alternatives, might be the best the C's could do in a fire-sale) and maybe Dominique Jones to offer up + they may be willing to include future picks.

The problem with them is how do they match the salary? Beaubois Jones and then we need about 16 MM in salary. If they are trying to make one more run they don't trade Terry Odom,  or Kidd. We're not going to take on a multi year salary like Marion or Haywood.

Lamar Odom + prospects + cap filler ... does that work?

I don't think they have enough cap filler.

Ah okay. That rules Dallas out too then.

If you added Ray Allen and Jason Terry, you could get there.  This trade works

KG & Ray for Odom, Terry, Wright, Beaubois, Mahinmi

[Moranis]

Dallas is the team that I see as the best trade destination for KG.

They want to keep 2012 flexibility open. They have a definite need for KG. They have expiring contracts to give in exchange for KG so no harm to the C's long term cap situation. They have a young prospect in Roddy Beaubois (not a great return by any means but given the lack of trade alternatives, might be the best the C's could do in a fire-sale) and maybe Dominique Jones to offer up + they may be willing to include future picks.

The problem with them is how do they match the salary? Beaubois Jones and then we need about 16 MM in salary. If they are trying to make one more run they don't trade Terry Odom,  or Kidd. We're not going to take on a multi year salary like Marion or Haywood.

Lamar Odom + prospects + cap filler ... does that work?

Isn't Vince Carter still on the Mavs?  Or was he cut.  If he is in play his contract is expiring and is like 18.3 million.  That would seemingly be all the filler necessary.  Carter, Beaubois, Wright, and Mahinmi for Garnett.  Gives the Celtics three young cheap players to look at without long term commitment.

They signed Vince Carter to the mini-MLE ($3mil).

Looks like they'd need Odom + Vince + Roddy + D.Jones + (future picks) another $2.5 million in cap filler to make it work. They could use a retired player they hold bird rights to. Maybe leave Vince out altogether ($5.5 mil to retired player).

ah.  Trade machine had him still listed at 18.3 million.

[snively]

I don't think Chicago would trade Noah straight up for KG. 

However, if the C's do decide to blow it up, I do think Chicago would be a prime candidate for KG.  But the deal would have to be based around Boozer.

Agreed -- no way does Chicago give up a young big man as talented as Joakim Noah for a veteran on his way out of the league.

And the only way they deal Boozer is if they hate that contract which would be a mistake given their inability to replace him down the line (lack of cap flexibility + lack of trade assets). Need a younger player than KG for that to make sense for Chicago.

I don't see Chicago as a likely destination. The pieces don't line up (trade wise).

I agree.  Right now, Chicago has a long window, and there's no reason for them to shorten it by dealing two young pieces in Noah and Gibson. 

As for a trade centered around Boozer-for-KG, I don't know if it works for either side.  For us, we'd be taking on a 4 year, $60 million contract for a 30 year old player.  For Chicago, they'd once again be shortening their window, and they'd be hurting their offense.  As much as I like KG, he's not the offensive scorer -- especially down low -- that Boozer is.  Right now, Chicago needs consistent offense more than they do defense.

I think Chicago is much more likely to want Ray Allen then Kevin Garnett all things considered.  Korver, Asik, and filler for Allen works, and may be something that Chicago would consider (they like Asik but he is a bench player).

I thought this was feasible as well, but the more I consider it, I think they'll be happy with the Hamilton (shooter/scorer), Deng (scorer/defender), Brewer (defender) trio on the wings with Korver (shooter) as the occasional 4th wing.  I think they'll want to maintain this role rotation, and adding a shooter/scorer like Ray would only upgrade a single key rotation role and push Rip to the peripheral Korver role. 

I don't think they'd sacrifice one of the cogs of their big man rotation (Gibson or Asik) to do that.

I could be wrong of course.  They might love the idea of a Ray/Deng/Rip rotation with Brewer as the situational 4th wing.

[Who]

I really like the look of Omer Asik ... I think he could establish himself as a top 15 center in this league once gets out of Joakim Noah's shadow.

A bigger better version of Kendrick Perkins.

[Donoghus]

I don't think Chicago would trade Noah straight up for KG. 

However, if the C's do decide to blow it up, I do think Chicago would be a prime candidate for KG.  But the deal would have to be based around Boozer.

Agreed -- no way does Chicago give up a young big man as talented as Joakim Noah for a veteran on his way out of the league.

And the only way they deal Boozer is if they hate that contract which would be a mistake given their inability to replace him down the line (lack of cap flexibility + lack of trade assets). Need a younger player than KG for that to make sense for Chicago.

I don't see Chicago as a likely destination. The pieces don't line up (trade wise).

I agree.  Right now, Chicago has a long window, and there's no reason for them to shorten it by dealing two young pieces in Noah and Gibson. 

As for a trade centered around Boozer-for-KG, I don't know if it works for either side.  For us, we'd be taking on a 4 year, $60 million contract for a 30 year old player.  For Chicago, they'd once again be shortening their window, and they'd be hurting their offense.  As much as I like KG, he's not the offensive scorer -- especially down low -- that Boozer is.  Right now, Chicago needs consistent offense more than they do defense.

I think Chicago is much more likely to want Ray Allen then Kevin Garnett all things considered.  Korver, Asik, and filler for Allen works, and may be something that Chicago would consider (they like Asik but he is a bench player).

I thought this was feasible as well, but the more I consider it, I think they'll be happy with the Hamilton (shooter/scorer), Deng (scorer/defender), Brewer (defender) trio on the wings with Korver (shooter) as the occasional 4th wing.  I think they'll want to maintain this role rotation, and adding a shooter/scorer like Ray would only upgrade a single key rotation role and push Rip to the peripheral Korver role. 

I don't think they'd sacrifice one of the cogs of their big man rotation (Gibson or Asik) to do that.

I could be wrong of course.  They might love the idea of a Ray/Deng/Rip rotation with Brewer as the situational 4th wing.

I think, in the East, they could get away with sacraficing one of their bigs without it being a big blow to their conference title chance. 

If they get Ray Allen, that is a much more dangerous team.  I don't think they'd have any qualms getting rid of a guy like Gibson to do it, either.  Asik might cause a little more hesitation.

[snively]

Dallas is the team that I see as the best trade destination for KG.

They want to keep 2012 flexibility open. They have a definite need for KG. They have expiring contracts to give in exchange for KG so no harm to the C's long term cap situation. They have a young prospect in Roddy Beaubois (not a great return by any means but given the lack of trade alternatives, might be the best the C's could do in a fire-sale) and maybe Dominique Jones to offer up + they may be willing to include future picks.

The problem with them is how do they match the salary? Beaubois Jones and then we need about 16 MM in salary. If they are trying to make one more run they don't trade Terry Odom,  or Kidd. We're not going to take on a multi year salary like Marion or Haywood.

Lamar Odom + prospects + cap filler ... does that work?

I don't think they have enough cap filler.

Ah okay. That rules Dallas out too then.

If you added Ray Allen and Jason Terry, you could get there.  This trade works

KG & Ray for Odom, Terry, Wright, Beaubois, Mahinmi

That seems like a huge discrepancy.  KG's got a near $2 mil trade kicker and before taking that into account that's a combined $31 mil compared to $23 mil from Dallas.

[rondohondo]

I was looking at rosters trying to figure out what team would be interested in KG if we tried to shop him for some young pieces. I didn't have much luck, I found several teams that could use him but no teams with young talent that we would want.

Josh Smith and Hinrich(or filler) for KG makes a lot of sense IMO. Of course I wouldn't do the trade 2 years ago, but KG has 1 or 2 years left at best.

Atlanta has been stuck in the middle of the pack and there has been talk of them moving Smith. I think KG would be a great fit next to Horford

PG: Teague
SG: Johnson
SF: Williams
PF: KG
 C: Horford

It works for the c's because Smith and Rondo are buddies and would be a tremendous fast break duo. Smith is also a pretty good defender and brings ton of athleticism to the C's starting lineup .

[snively]

I was looking at rosters trying to figure out what team would be interested in KG if we tried to shop him for some young pieces. I didn't have much luck, I found several teams that could use him but no teams with young talent that we would want.

Josh Smith and Hinrich(or filler) for KG makes a lot of sense IMO. Of course I wouldn't do the trade 2 years ago, but KG has 1 or 2 years left at best.

Atlanta has been stuck in the middle of the pack and there has been talk of them moving Smith. I think KG would be a great fit next to Horford

PG: Teague
SG: Johnson
SF: Williams
PF: KG
 C: Horford

It works for the c's because Smith and Rondo are buddies and would be a tremendous fast break duo. Smith is also a pretty good defender and brings ton of athleticism to the C's starting lineup .

The Hawks might be more interested if we took Williams or Zaza in addition to Smith.  Dumping Smith alone wouldn't put them far enough under the cap to find a high quality replacement for him or KG.

Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for KG would make a very interesting trade though.  Very intriguing players to put around Rondo.

[Kane3387]

Well since we are talking about crazy trades that might actually be justifiable:

4 team trade between Lakers, Celtics, Magic, and Suns

Phoenix Receive Rajon Rondo, Matt Barnes, and Chris Wilcox/Brandon Bass

Magic Receive Andrew Bynum, Avery Bradley, Jermaine O'Neal (expiring), Keyon Dooling (expiring) and picks

Lakers Receive Dwight Howard, Hedo Turkoglu (bad contract from Orl), Josh Childress, and Hakim Warrick (Both bad contracts from Phoenix)

Boston Receives Steve Nash, Chris Duhon, and Pau Gasol

A couple more fillers might need to be added, some cash exchanged, and picks tossed it to get a deal done but this trade could make sense for all parties if the scenario below unfolds.

Why for Boston? Were in win now mode. Nash and Gasol added to the Big 3 is a dynamic starting five. We could add some players (buyouts) for the vet min. We still have Duhon, Daniels, and Bass or Wilcox off the bench. We get a legit shot at winning this year and maybe next.

Why for LAL? They are struggling for them. The Clippers are stealing the headlines. They don't see Bynum or Gasol as the guy to build the Franchise around after Kobe who is starting to show signs of slowing down. They have a horrible cap situation and won't be able to sign FAs for a few years and they will never be bad enough get a high pick. This is their ONLY chance to acquire a franchise player they can build around for the next ten years. They're all in on D12.

Why for Phoenix? They aren't a playoff team and they know Nash walks after the year is over. Nash is so old that Rondo is the best player out there for him to be traded for. He's on a solid contract and could fit well in their system. They get to unload a lot of bad contracts and possibly get a pick as well.

Why for Orlando? Howard has checked out and he's gone next year for nothing unless they move him. They aren't as high on Lopez as they are Bynum. They decide they don't want to take on Gasol's salary either. They want to unload bad contracts like Hedo and Duhon as well. They get some picks also.

This is my crazy and never will happen trade idea. But it Does make some sense for all involved if the scenarios I describe above unfold. It is likely Phoenix is terrible, LAL loses ground to the Clips and struggles, and Howard checks out though.

[rondohondo]

I was looking at rosters trying to figure out what team would be interested in KG if we tried to shop him for some young pieces. I didn't have much luck, I found several teams that could use him but no teams with young talent that we would want.

Josh Smith and Hinrich(or filler) for KG makes a lot of sense IMO. Of course I wouldn't do the trade 2 years ago, but KG has 1 or 2 years left at best.

Atlanta has been stuck in the middle of the pack and there has been talk of them moving Smith. I think KG would be a great fit next to Horford

PG: Teague
SG: Johnson
SF: Williams
PF: KG
 C: Horford

It works for the c's because Smith and Rondo are buddies and would be a tremendous fast break duo. Smith is also a pretty good defender and brings ton of athleticism to the C's starting lineup .

The Hawks might be more interested if we took Williams or Zaza in addition to Smith.  Dumping Smith alone wouldn't put them far enough under the cap to find a high quality replacement for him or KG.

Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for KG would make a very interesting trade though.  Very intriguing players to put around Rondo.

TP, very good point . KG would give them a better shot to win for the next year or 2 and would also give them the ability to add solid FA's around Teague,Johhnson and Horford . That is a pretty good young core to build around !

It would probably have to be

ATL sends: Josh Smith and Williams
Bos sends: KG and Daniels

Atl would need a SF in return , maybe they send back a future pick to Boston?

[Evantime34]

I was looking at rosters trying to figure out what team would be interested in KG if we tried to shop him for some young pieces. I didn't have much luck, I found several teams that could use him but no teams with young talent that we would want.

Josh Smith and Hinrich(or filler) for KG makes a lot of sense IMO. Of course I wouldn't do the trade 2 years ago, but KG has 1 or 2 years left at best.

Atlanta has been stuck in the middle of the pack and there has been talk of them moving Smith. I think KG would be a great fit next to Horford

PG: Teague
SG: Johnson
SF: Williams
PF: KG
 C: Horford

It works for the c's because Smith and Rondo are buddies and would be a tremendous fast break duo. Smith is also a pretty good defender and brings ton of athleticism to the C's starting lineup .

The Hawks might be more interested if we took Williams or Zaza in addition to Smith.  Dumping Smith alone wouldn't put them far enough under the cap to find a high quality replacement for him or KG.

Josh Smith and Marvin Williams for KG would make a very interesting trade though.  Very intriguing players to put around Rondo.

TP, very good point . KG would give them a better shot to win for the next year or 2 and would also give them the ability to add solid FA's around Teague,Johhnson and Horford . That is a pretty good young core to build around !

It would probably have to be

ATL sends: Josh Smith and Williams
Bos sends: KG and Daniels

Atl would need a SF in return , maybe they send back a future pick to Boston?

IF we were losing and needed to move KG I would love to get Smith in the process. A 3-4 next year of Smith and Green would be an athletic marvel and perfect to run with Rondo. I think after this year Josh Smith makes it clear he will not sign an extension with Atlanta and is traded.