Jeff Green to have surgery : out for the season

[celticinorlando]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Afraid our disappointments are just starting

[Drucci]

Devastating news for Jeff, hopefully he won't suffer any complications and will be able to live without any symptoms after his rehab.

And hopefully he will be able to get back to basketball one day but it's secondary compared to his own life.

As for the Celtics... devastating news too, we expected so much of Green this year that this basically blows our plans.

[celticinorlando]

Ric bucher saying the contract is voided

[incoherent]

Stop bringing up the Perkins trade.. pretty much irrelevant this season.

This season Jeff had a great chance to get a lot of time on the court and help our team, that isn't going to happen not because of the Perkins trade.

This sucks on many levels but in no way am I more mad at the Perkins trade.

Irrelevant how? Its a complete domino effect and absolutely relevant.

Did we not get Jeff Green in the Perkins trade? Was he not supposedly the "best player in the trade?" He was supposed to be our main guy off the bench and provide scoring through our droughts. He was a complete non factor last season and now he's out for this entire season?

I fail to see the irrelevancy.

The irrelevancy is this:

The Perkins trade is a basketball related event.

Jeff Green's condition is a non basketball related freak event.


It's not a "domino" effect because even if we didn't trade Perkins, Green would still have had this happen to him in OKC.

[Q_FBE]

I will say a prayer for Jeff Green for a healthy and quick recovery and hope he is in the best hands. Get better Jeff.

You know, I predicted he wouldn't play a single game for the Celtics this year. If I was going to be right, this isn't the way I would have wanted to be.

How is it possible that over a 25 year period one NBA team could have 3 tremendously young athletes with bad hearts?

You might want to ask Trailblazer fans on bad luck with injuries.

We aren't the only fan base to suffer debilitating losses like this.

Now in order to get our priorities straight, keep Jeff Green in our prayers. Basketball is no longer a priority here so I won't bother commenting on salary cap implications regarding a disabled player.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

[birdbrady]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Not by a long shot.

Ok, other than len bias.

Len Bias 1986?
How about the brutal 1997 off-season? Losing the Duncan lottery, blowing the #3 and #6 pick, throwing away our cap space on Travis Knight and other stiffs? Letting David Wesley and Rick Fox walk for NOTHING?

How about 2001? The team clearly could've built a title contender that off-season with the right moves.  3 first round draft choices in a LOADED draft and whiffed on all of them.  Then they could've traded Antoine and one of the picks to Chicago to get Elton Brand AND move up to the #2 pick in that draft (coulda had Chander, Gasol, Battier, etc).  With Pierce in place, and solid role players - and a ton of flexibility with a good trade chip in Antoine, and 3 firsts in a stacked draft - the Celtics could've easily had a legit contender from 2001-2006 if not longer.

Those were the worst.  This doesn't come close.  Last deadline was the real killer.

[hpantazo]

The guy just lost 9 million dollars, is now unemployed, and potentially lost his career overnight. Would it be a bad move for us to sign him to a 2 year vet min deal anyway with the hope he can play again next year but he still collects some decent $$ this year?

[hpantazo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

[IrishGreen]

Is there any way the NBA will allow us to use Green's salary to sign a FA such is the extent of the injury?!

[CelticSooner]

Stop bringing up the Perkins trade.. pretty much irrelevant this season.

This season Jeff had a great chance to get a lot of time on the court and help our team, that isn't going to happen not because of the Perkins trade.

This sucks on many levels but in no way am I more mad at the Perkins trade.

TP

[TripleOT]

The guy just lost 9 million dollars, is now unemployed, and potentially lost his career overnight. Would it be a bad move for us to sign him to a 2 year vet min deal anyway with the hope he can play again next year but he still collects some decent $$ this year?

Like they did for Leon Powe after he played on a damaged knee in the 09 playoffs when his team needed him with KG out, and re-injured it?  

[birdbrady]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

no, teh team got absolutely wrecked by Joel Anthony in Games 1-4 last year.  Don't think Perkins would've changed that?

Yes, Wade and Lebron "killed us."  Wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS.  Joel Anthony is not a great player.  And Joel Anthony doing the damage he did on us, the first four games of the series was an absolute difference maker.

Oh, and you are also conveniently leaving out the fact that the chemistry on this team imploded almost immediately after the trade.  Important tidbit there too.

[hpantazo]

Best of luck to Jeff, thats going to be a grueling process.  In terms of basketball and moving forward we officially have nothing to show for the Perkins trade (karma if you ask me - you never put business in front of family and thats the way we treated Perk) and without any additional cap room because were already over the tax threshold we cannot make any impact signings.  Hate to say it but this season might have just taken a huge hit and our chances right along with it.

we do have something to show for the Perkins trade, the clippers 2012 1st round pick, which is better than what we would have had now if we hadn't made the trade, which is nothing, because Perkins would have signed with another team anyway.

How do you know that Perkins wouldn't have re-signed here?  

If he was going to sign elsewhere, how do you know that Ainge couldn't have flipped him for a player and a pick as good as what the Clippers 2012 pick is going to be (20 or so).  

With this news, which no one could have seen as coming, the Perkins trade is an unmitigated disaster.  the only way that changes is if the pick becomes a starter, and even then, I'd rather have a defensive minded center who fits in perfectly with the Big 4, than a future starter.  

I still disagree. Ainge was not going to pay Perkins what he was going to get on the open market, that was fully clear. It would have killed or cap space on a guy that is not a building block. Even in a sign and trade, we were not likely to get a 1st round pick in a deep draft from a team like the clippers, who will still not be a top 10 team with CP3. We did not throw away the season because we traded Perkins, we lost because we had no defensive wings to guard Lebron and Wade like Tony Allen or Marquise, and because Rondo played with one arm, and our bench was selfish and immature.

if it would have "killed our cap space" as you just suggested - why did the team offer 9M-per to David West??? And everyone on this board was diddling with themselves at that possibility?

David West is not comparable to Perkins. When healthy he is worth eating into the cap because not only is he as good as any FA we would sign with the 2nd max player slot, he would have also helped lure CP3 here. Perkins on the other hand would eat up cap space on a guy with serious limitations who would not be the 3rd or 4th best guy on the team. We're taling about replacing Ray and KG this summer, two of our top 4 guys, not JO or Perkins.

[hpantazo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.

That Perkins who didn't completely recover from his knee injury was better than Shaq, JO and Nenad Krstic combined. Let's be serious here. The center position was an embarrassment last year. JO would have been a good back up for Perk.

Danny put all his eggs in the Shaq basket and it was a disaster. Period.

you can insist all you want to, but it wasn't the center postion that cost us the heat series last year, it was lack of defenders at the 2-3 spots. That's why Ainge traded for Green, and honestly, Green failed at that job last season. Wade and Lebron killed us, and so did our bench, not the starting center spot. That's why getting Daniels back this year is huge imo.

no, teh team got absolutely wrecked by Joel Anthony in Games 1-4 last year.  Don't think Perkins would've changed that?

Yes, Wade and Lebron "killed us."  Wanna know why? BECAUSE THEY'RE GREAT PLAYERS.  Joel Anthony is not a great player.  And Joel Anthony doing the damage he did on us, the first four games of the series was an absolute difference maker.

Oh, and you are also conveniently leaving out the fact that the chemistry on this team imploded almost immediately after the trade.  Important tidbit there too.

The year we won, Lebron and Kobe never killed us, we made them look bad, because we had great defenders like Posey and Tony Allen. That's what cost us the most the last 2 years, not the center spot. Joel Anthony? I guess you didn't watch the games much.