Jeff Green to have surgery : out for the season

[heitingas]

do we get an injured player exception ? those 5.9 million would enable us to sign some great backup wing, like outlaw for a year.

[Fafnir]

Best of luck to Jeff, thats going to be a grueling process.  In terms of basketball and moving forward we officially have nothing to show for the Perkins trade (karma if you ask me - you never put business in front of family and thats the way we treated Perk) and without any additional cap room because were already over the tax threshold we cannot make any impact signings.  Hate to say it but this season might have just taken a huge hit and our chances right along with it.

we do have something to show for the Perkins trade, the clippers 2012 1st round pick, which is better than what we would have had now if we hadn't made the trade, which is nothing, because Perkins would have signed with another team anyway.

Strawman argument.  We were not going to 'get nothing' for Perkins.  He would have gone somewhere in a sign and trade.  Hell, maybe to Dallas for that trade exception and a first rounder.  Maybe more.  Don't think Dallas coulda used him after losing Chandler?  Whatever the case was, some team over the cap would've wanted Perkins and offered pieces for him.

Even if the Celtics got nothing for Perkins after leaving for free agency (unlikely), the Celtics threw away the 2011 season last year after being Vegas' favorites to win the title in mid-March.

Odds are that we wouldn't have gotten a good pick in a sign and trade.

Plus OKC would have then had cap space to go out and get him if they wanted him as much as they did.

[incoherent]

Stop bringing up the Perkins trade.. pretty much irrelevant this season.

This season Jeff had a great chance to get a lot of time on the court and help our team, that isn't going to happen not because of the Perkins trade.

This sucks on many levels but in no way am I more mad at the Perkins trade.

[KGs Knee]

Best of luck to Jeff, thats going to be a grueling process.  In terms of basketball and moving forward we officially have nothing to show for the Perkins trade (karma if you ask me - you never put business in front of family and thats the way we treated Perk) and without any additional cap room because were already over the tax threshold we cannot make any impact signings.  Hate to say it but this season might have just taken a huge hit and our chances right along with it.

we do have something to show for the Perkins trade, the clippers 2012 1st round pick, which is better than what we would have had now if we hadn't made the trade, which is nothing, because Perkins would have signed with another team anyway.

Yeah!  A draft pick in the low to mid 20's.

Would have rather had Perk last year and then lost him this year for nothing.  Who knows, maybe we could have worked a sign and trade with someone.

Obviously, Green's health is more important than anything, but this sure does make the trade look REALLY bad.

And I have to wonder.  How did this not show up 10 months ago?  Could this condition really have happened in that time period?  I'm no doctor, so I have no idea, just curious.

[celticinorlando]

Well Boston has to make a move now. Gotta get a legit back up wing

[hpantazo]

Best of luck to Jeff, thats going to be a grueling process.  In terms of basketball and moving forward we officially have nothing to show for the Perkins trade (karma if you ask me - you never put business in front of family and thats the way we treated Perk) and without any additional cap room because were already over the tax threshold we cannot make any impact signings.  Hate to say it but this season might have just taken a huge hit and our chances right along with it.

we do have something to show for the Perkins trade, the clippers 2012 1st round pick, which is better than what we would have had now if we hadn't made the trade, which is nothing, because Perkins would have signed with another team anyway.

How do you know that Perkins wouldn't have re-signed here?  

If he was going to sign elsewhere, how do you know that Ainge couldn't have flipped him for a player and a pick as good as what the Clippers 2012 pick is going to be (20 or so).  

With this news, which no one could have seen as coming, the Perkins trade is an unmitigated disaster.  the only way that changes is if the pick becomes a starter, and even then, I'd rather have a defensive minded center who fits in perfectly with the Big 4, than a future starter.  

I still disagree. Ainge was not going to pay Perkins what he was going to get on the open market, that was fully clear. It would have killed or cap space on a guy that is not a building block. Even in a sign and trade, we were not likely to get a 1st round pick in a deep draft from a team like the clippers, who will still not be a top 10 team with CP3. We did not throw away the season because we traded Perkins, we lost because we had no defensive wings to guard Lebron and Wade like Tony Allen or Marquise, and because Rondo played with one arm, and our bench was selfish and immature.

[GrandTheftRondo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

[PosImpos]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

[Cman]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Not by a long shot.

[KGs Knee]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Has to rank right up there.

People can say what they want about hindsight being 20/20, but just about everything Danny has done over the last 10 months has been horrendous.

[birdbrady]

Not only about Perkins being this ultimate-lock of not re-signing here.  The case being was that Danny wanted to preserve our cap space for 2012 to make a run at free agents.  However, the 2012 free agency class is getting weaker by the second.  Paul won't likely be on it, and without us having Paul in place - any pipe dream of luring Howard here too is out the window.  So then you're stuck with Deron Williams, at best, which as of now is a position we have filled.  Not only that, who's to say we could not have re-signed Perkins similar to the deal that we were going to give David West ($9M-range) - while preserving one max slot for a potential good free agent?

Anyone who tries to spin the Perkins deal as "oh they just didnt want to lose Perkins for nothing in the off-season because they weren't going to re-sign him" is buying a company line from a franchise who knew they made a colossal mistake giving away a very good player for all but nothing, and throwing away a season where the team had a great chance at hanging #18.  The logic behind the trade was, quite simply, getting a very good back-up wing after Daniels went down (failed big time as Green was underwhelming), and having Shaq come back healthy and get his starting role at center back (we know how that worked out.)  The future was just a small part of it (and even that, the future is worse.)  The trade was lost on every front.  It was an absolute killer.  Period.  I'm actually getting very angry just typing this.

[birdbrady]

Best of luck to Jeff, thats going to be a grueling process.  In terms of basketball and moving forward we officially have nothing to show for the Perkins trade (karma if you ask me - you never put business in front of family and thats the way we treated Perk) and without any additional cap room because were already over the tax threshold we cannot make any impact signings.  Hate to say it but this season might have just taken a huge hit and our chances right along with it.

we do have something to show for the Perkins trade, the clippers 2012 1st round pick, which is better than what we would have had now if we hadn't made the trade, which is nothing, because Perkins would have signed with another team anyway.

How do you know that Perkins wouldn't have re-signed here?  

If he was going to sign elsewhere, how do you know that Ainge couldn't have flipped him for a player and a pick as good as what the Clippers 2012 pick is going to be (20 or so).  

With this news, which no one could have seen as coming, the Perkins trade is an unmitigated disaster.  the only way that changes is if the pick becomes a starter, and even then, I'd rather have a defensive minded center who fits in perfectly with the Big 4, than a future starter.  

I still disagree. Ainge was not going to pay Perkins what he was going to get on the open market, that was fully clear. It would have killed or cap space on a guy that is not a building block. Even in a sign and trade, we were not likely to get a 1st round pick in a deep draft from a team like the clippers, who will still not be a top 10 team with CP3. We did not throw away the season because we traded Perkins, we lost because we had no defensive wings to guard Lebron and Wade like Tony Allen or Marquise, and because Rondo played with one arm, and our bench was selfish and immature.

if it would have "killed our cap space" as you just suggested - why did the team offer 9M-per to David West??? And everyone on this board was diddling with themselves at that possibility?

[GrandTheftRondo]

Stop bringing up the Perkins trade.. pretty much irrelevant this season.

This season Jeff had a great chance to get a lot of time on the court and help our team, that isn't going to happen not because of the Perkins trade.

This sucks on many levels but in no way am I more mad at the Perkins trade.

Irrelevant how? Its a complete domino effect and absolutely relevant.

Did we not get Jeff Green in the Perkins trade? Was he not supposedly the "best player in the trade?" He was supposed to be our main guy off the bench and provide scoring through our droughts. He was a complete non factor last season and now he's out for this entire season?

I fail to see the irrelevancy.

[PosImpos]

Most disappointing offseason ever?

Not by a long shot.

Ok, other than len bias.

[hpantazo]

I wish Jeff Green all the best and a speedy recovery. Glad they caught it when they did.

But as I'm sitting here my blood is BOILING. What did we really trade our starting center for? Why did we destroy our teams chemistry? What did we get in return? A Clippers first round pick in 2012?? I'm literally sick to my stomach.

I don't know that I will ever be able to forgive Danny Ainge for this. Dramatic perhaps, but true. I don't see myself getting over this any time in the near future. Everything that has occurred from last years trade deadline up til now has been nothing short of pure disaster.

And the karma theory? Never thought of it that way but you just might be right.

Anyone who watched the Thunder in the playoffs last year could see that Perkins had not recovered enough from his knee injury to be an effective defender. His lateral movement was gone, he would not have made a difference for us in the playoffs, and going forward, we were not going to re-sign him. People have to get over this feeling of betrayal they have of the Perkins trade and look at the facts. We lost because we had no backup wings who could defend, because Rondo played with one arm after Wade's dirty takedown, and because our bench was immature and had chemistry issues.