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[kozlodoev]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right?  

[Roy H.]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right?  

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

[Fafnir]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right?  

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

He's assuming that they'll get Nene in his analysis.

[PosImpos]

-I think i might rather have Okafor at his deal than West for his proposed deal for JO/Pavlovic

-I'd definitely rather have Scola

Wish we could wedge ourselves in there somehow with picks and expirings to help provide the "young talent" the NBA wants Houston to get.

west is much better offensively than okafor and he'll make a lot less money under the proposed deal.  okafor isn't actually that much bigger than west.  doesn't really make sense for the celtics to prefer okafor over west.  especially since west would likely go to the lakers instead.  that'd be awful.

[kozlodoev]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right?  

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

I actually think the high +wins number is a statistical artifact of the Hornets taking in way more players than they give up, but I can't be sure without looking into how it's calculated (and I can't be bothered right now).

[PosImpos]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right? 

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

He's assuming that they'll get Nene in his analysis.

no way that happens unless nene really wants to play in houston.  he'll have to take less money than he'd get elsewhere.

[Fafnir]

-I think i might rather have Okafor at his deal than West for his proposed deal for JO/Pavlovic

-I'd definitely rather have Scola

Wish we could wedge ourselves in there somehow with picks and expirings to help provide the "young talent" the NBA wants Houston to get.

west is much better offensively than okafor and he'll make a lot less money under the proposed deal.  okafor isn't actually that much bigger than west.  doesn't really make sense for the celtics to prefer okafor over west.  especially since west would likely go to the lakers instead.  that'd be awful.

Plus as West is a "new contract" it can be stretched. So if the Celtics want to they can dump him and limit the cap damage.

[PosImpos]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right? 

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

I actually think the high +wins number is a statistical artifact of the Hornets taking in way more players than they give up, but I can't be sure without looking into how it's calculated (and I can't be bothered right now).

i suspect you're right.  the computer doesn't take into account that a lot of those guys play the same position.

[Fafnir]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right? 

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

He's assuming that they'll get Nene in his analysis.

no way that happens unless nene really wants to play in houston.  he'll have to take less money than he'd get elsewhere.

No he won't they can amnesty Thabeet and decline some options. They'll have enough cap room to offer him the max.

[PosImpos]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right? 

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

He's assuming that they'll get Nene in his analysis.

no way that happens unless nene really wants to play in houston.  he'll have to take less money than he'd get elsewhere.

No he won't they can amnesty Thabeet and decline some options. They'll have enough cap room to offer him the max.

well, let me put it this way.  the rockets would have to be really stupid to give nene that 4 year / 70 million deal.  having that much money tied up in gasol and nene for the next 4 years would be crippling.  that team would be lucky to get to the second round.

[Fafnir]

well, let me put it this way.  the rockets would have to be really stupid to give nene that 4 year / 70 million deal.  having that much money tied up in gasol and nene for the next 4 years would be crippling.  that team would be lucky to get to the second round.

That's their plan however.

[barefacedmonk]

Says front office official on 3-way Hornets-Lakers-Rockets trade: "Everyone in the deal is waiting for guidance from the league."

@WojYahooNBA

Guide them Stern....out of the door. Tell them to get back to the drawing board.

[Roy H.]

Interesting that the original version of the trade didn't work on the trade machine.

On the other hand, the Hornets are picking up +11 wins with the revised trade, so it must be good for them, right?  

Well, at least Hollinger's computers and I agree that the trade will be horrible for Houston.  John Hollinger himself, however, seems to believe that Houston is a big winner.  Probably because he has to believe that to justify this trade, which benefits his Lakers.

He's assuming that they'll get Nene in his analysis.

no way that happens unless nene really wants to play in houston.  he'll have to take less money than he'd get elsewhere.

No he won't they can amnesty Thabeet and decline some options. They'll have enough cap room to offer him the max.

Do you think that committing $57 million over three years to Pau Gasol (31 1/2 years old) and $70+ million over four years to Nene (29 years old) is a wise move for Houston, especially in this era of less flexibility for luxury tax teams?

That's over 60% of your cap to two guys entering the latter stages of their career.  I'm not sure what Boy Wonder Morey is thinking.

[PosImpos]

johnhollinger John Hollinger
Seems to me that only way this deal could be revised is to put Bynum in for Odom and send Okafor back to Lakers.

have to agree with Hollinger.  really hoping he's right.

[Moreover]

The trade is still awful for the Hornets. Better financially, but basketball-wise it makes even less sense. They lose a starting center. They'll be a lottery team filled with well paid 30 years old. They'd be way better by just amnestying Okafor and trading Paul to a team with cap for a young prospect and a couple of unprotected picks. Incredible.