Wow. Tedy Bruschi just castrated Ochocinco

[BASS_THUMPER]

Scal has nothin to do with Ocho

leave Scal out of this drama

[Eja117]

Its pretty obvious they don't like ocho, which doesn't surprise me at all with radio guys.  Teddy's little tirade is unwarranted, he honestly sounds bitter that he wasn't there playing.  giving your teammate sincere accolade for a job well done doesn't deserve that.  But Ocho can't do any thing right to Boston radio guys.  Teddy needs to get over himself, and sit down somewhere.

To be fair when you wear three Super Bowl rings, played in two other Super Bowls and are probably a top ten linebacker all time you can pretty much say anything you want to a loser like Ochocinco.

Ray Lewis
Patrick Willis
DeMarcus Ware
Brian Urlacher
James Harrison
Clay Matthews
Lawrence Taylor
Dick Butkus
Mick Singletary
Jack Lambert
Dave Wilcox
Ted Hendrix

 I would say maaaaaaaybe top ten of his era. But top ten all time? Not quite.

If you don't have three rings or more.....need not apply

You taking Trent Dilfer over Marino then too?

I would definitely definitely definitely take Trent Dilfer's career over Dan Marino's.  Not even a question. Who would you rather be? A champion or a synonym for loser?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNooFZPfmgE&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL4FF023A436A18C30

Yeahhh. I think I would still rather "be" Marino. You have your one ring, I'll keep my mutiple passing records.


In principle you are right, but really? You consider Dilfers career a success and Marinos a failure?

If you're not first you're last

[Eja117]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

[Roy H.]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

[Eja117]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

[Roy H.]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

So, let's think this through...

Because Belichick didn't trade for a player, that automatically means that the Patriots had the better player?  Doesn't that imply, then, that the Pats had the best player in the league at every position?  If they didn't, Belichick obviously just would have traded for a superstar on another team, right?

Either that, or your logic is flawed.

[rondohondo]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

So, let's think this through...

Because Belichick didn't trade for a player, that automatically means that the Patriots had the better player?  Doesn't that imply, then, that the Pats had the best player in the league at every position?  If they didn't, Belichick obviously just would have traded for a superstar on another team, right?

Either that, or your logic is flawed.

uhh yea this guys logic is obviously flawed, last year he said Mark Sanchez is a better quarterback than Brady because the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs.....

[cman88]

hearing Bruschis defense of his statement, I understand where he's coming from...Belichick has created an environment where you arent supposed to look at what youve done and be in awe of it, but look at it and try and find flaws with it and improve for the next game.

its evidenced by brady and belichick basically scoffing off the historic performance and saying they have alot to improve and just made more plays

and for someone like Ochocinco, someone who only contributed 14yards in that. he needs to be following the same footsteps as brady/belichick laid out. that scoffing off the performance to improve for the next week.

on the other hand, im of the opinion that Ocho will eventually get the offense..its just that for that game, Brady was playing a no huddle offense. so naturally you want guys like Welker/Branch who brady has a familiarity with and know where he wants them. out there..rather than someone given the playbook 5 weeks ago

[Eja117]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

So, let's think this through...

Because Belichick didn't trade for a player, that automatically means that the Patriots had the better player?  Doesn't that imply, then, that the Pats had the best player in the league at every position?  If they didn't, Belichick obviously just would have traded for a superstar on another team, right?

Either that, or your logic is flawed.

Sorta. Belichick also had an opportunity to draft Ray Lewis and didn't. Then there were opportunities to go after guys in free agency too. Then it's not like he had a one time opportunity to trade. He had a decade to trade for him. Never tried. He did trade for other guys like Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Albert Haynesworth, and Chad Johnson. So he sees some value in them. But I think generally if you would ask Belichick on any given day during the dynasty run "Would you rather have the players on your team or the players on that team" the answer would be obvious.  He probably wouldn't have traded Mike Vrabel for Terrel Suggs either. And I don't believe him for a second when he told Ed Reed he was the best free safety in the league. And I don't think he'd take Peyton over Tom either.

[Eja117]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

So, let's think this through...

Because Belichick didn't trade for a player, that automatically means that the Patriots had the better player?  Doesn't that imply, then, that the Pats had the best player in the league at every position?  If they didn't, Belichick obviously just would have traded for a superstar on another team, right?

Either that, or your logic is flawed.

uhh yea this guys logic is obviously flawed, last year he said Mark Sanchez is a better quarterback than Brady because the Jets beat the Pats in the playoffs.....

Sanchez had the better year. Tedy had the better year almost every year.

[Eja117]

hearing Bruschis defense of his statement, I understand where he's coming from...Belichick has created an environment where you arent supposed to look at what youve done and be in awe of it, but look at it and try and find flaws with it and improve for the next game.

its evidenced by brady and belichick basically scoffing off the historic performance and saying they have alot to improve and just made more plays

and for someone like Ochocinco, someone who only contributed 14yards in that. he needs to be following the same footsteps as brady/belichick laid out. that scoffing off the performance to improve for the next week.

on the other hand, im of the opinion that Ocho will eventually get the offense..its just that for that game, Brady was playing a no huddle offense. so naturally you want guys like Welker/Branch who brady has a familiarity with and know where he wants them. out there..rather than someone given the playbook 5 weeks ago

As you might be able to tell from my side conversation about Bruschi being underrated I have sometimes scoffed at the Pat's false modesty.

[Eja117]

Best LB of all time...  Bill Romanowski?  He is tied for the most rings, and has the most Super Bowl starts of any LB.  Clearly, then, he's the best; it has nothing to do with playing on the same team as Montana and Elway.

You and Faf made similar points on this and they are very very good points. However Bill Romanowski for all his spitting and punkness need look up to no other linebackers. He was on roids so I don't think he's a great example. (By the way. Three LBs. Bruschi, Urlacher, Lewis.  Quick. Which one is least likely to be on roids?) You say he has some rings because he played with great QBs, which makes total sense, but why can't they be winning some rings because of him?  It's not like Ray Lewis didn't play with some very good players. Urlacher sure didn't. Maybe we need to stop saying defense wins championships then. Either that or the Ravens were an overrated defense. It's not like the Ravens ever even knocked on the door all that much. Do you think Brady was really concerned about Ray Lewis or the Ravens? Think he ever even gave them a thought? Till recently?

[Donoghus]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

So, let's think this through...

Because Belichick didn't trade for a player, that automatically means that the Patriots had the better player?  Doesn't that imply, then, that the Pats had the best player in the league at every position?  If they didn't, Belichick obviously just would have traded for a superstar on another team, right?

Either that, or your logic is flawed.

Sorta. Belichick also had an opportunity to draft Ray Lewis and didn't. Then there were opportunities to go after guys in free agency too. Then it's not like he had a one time opportunity to trade. He had a decade to trade for him. Never tried. He did trade for other guys like Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Albert Haynesworth, and Chad Johnson. So he sees some value in them. But I think generally if you would ask Belichick on any given day during the dynasty run "Would you rather have the players on your team or the players on that team" the answer would be obvious.  He probably wouldn't have traded Mike Vrabel for Terrel Suggs either. And I don't believe him for a second when he told Ed Reed he was the best free safety in the league. And I don't think he'd take Peyton over Tom either.

Really?  So Belichick was the one making the calls in the war room over Parcells & Kraft in '96 while he was working as assistant head coach/defensive backs coach for the Patriots?

[Eja117]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Were they really more highly regarded though? By who?  If they were so much more highly regarded why didn't Belichek ever make any attempt to sign them or trade for them while Bruschi was on the team? With all those extra draft picks if shouldn't have been impossible by any means. But he didn't do it.  Didn't even try. And the only stats that matter are rings.  Who do you think Brady holds in higher regard? Who do you think Peyton Manning holds in higher regard? Come Super Bowl Sunday (aka the only day that means anything in the NFL) who was usually held in higher regard? Who were the commentators usually talking about in high regard on Super Bowl Sunday?

So, let's think this through...

Because Belichick didn't trade for a player, that automatically means that the Patriots had the better player?  Doesn't that imply, then, that the Pats had the best player in the league at every position?  If they didn't, Belichick obviously just would have traded for a superstar on another team, right?

Either that, or your logic is flawed.

Sorta. Belichick also had an opportunity to draft Ray Lewis and didn't. Then there were opportunities to go after guys in free agency too. Then it's not like he had a one time opportunity to trade. He had a decade to trade for him. Never tried. He did trade for other guys like Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Albert Haynesworth, and Chad Johnson. So he sees some value in them. But I think generally if you would ask Belichick on any given day during the dynasty run "Would you rather have the players on your team or the players on that team" the answer would be obvious.  He probably wouldn't have traded Mike Vrabel for Terrel Suggs either. And I don't believe him for a second when he told Ed Reed he was the best free safety in the league. And I don't think he'd take Peyton over Tom either.

Really?  So Belichick was the one making the calls in the war room over Parcells & Kraft in '96 while he was working as assistant head coach/defensive backs coach for the Patriots?

I think I heard on the radio someone say "We could have drafted him" and interpreted it very wrong. I was thinking this referred to him as when he was head coach of the Browns, but that doesn't even make sense because that is the franchise that did actually draft him. Hence "Bill Belichik ccoouuullllddd have drafted and had Ray Lewis." Yeah. He could have. Had he been coach of the Browns still. But he wasn't.  So I am 99.99% wrong. I don't think he was stumping for Ray, but none of was there so we don't know.

[Fafnir]

I agree Teddy isnt top ten all time, I love him, but I think there was only one season where he was the top LB in the league throughout his career. and that was 2003 if I recall correctly.

So he was the best linebacker in football the year Ray Lewis won DPOY?

I don't think he was ever the best LB in football. His career/prime was overlapped by Lewis', Brooks', and Urlacher's career/primes.

If Bruschi had done some extra screaming and grabbing his crotch and dancing like he's having a neurological problem, and his agent got him on some extra magazine and video game covers we wouldn't be having this conversation in the same way and if you don't think that you're fooling yourself.

To some extent, Lewis' theatrics played into his hype.  However, hype doesn't justify why his stats were consistently better, especially in terms of tackles.  Also, theatrics don't explain why Urlacher and Brooks are more highly regarded.

Yeah I think Lewis' theatrics play into his high rating now a days more than it did early in his career. He's lost his speed and is now ordinary at the position. (which is [dang] good for his age but he's no longer a impact player)

As a Bears fan I dread that Urlacher will be the same place or worse in a few years, trying to enjoy him while he's still got some pop.