2011 CB Draft Eastern Playoffs: 1st Round

[KCattheStripe]

I'll be honest, I'm pretty heated I didn't get any TP's for that Doink reference.

I've been busting out a level material all thread and been getting no tps.

[mgent]

I think Philly wins in six. Cp3 won two games with less talent against a better Team in reality. Also don't like iggy and wade as much in the half court. Both need the ball. Iggy actually needs it more in the half court then wade. He really excels in the open court, but I don't know about him in the half court without the ball. Hinrich complements each of them but he can't distribute to these guys like say rajon rondo could.

Wade and Paul will cancel each other out but Philly has more fire power overall and wins in a competitive six games series.

You mean like Wade and LeBron, the Eastern Conference Champions?

Iguodala DEFINITELY doesn't need the ball more than Wade.  He's effective with the ball because he's a point forward, he doesn't need it.  He's never had more than a 24 usage and last year had 19.2, compared to LeBron and Wade's 31-35 over their careers.  Last year Jrue Holiday had a higher usage than Iguodala.

Hinrich is a serviceable distributor, and won't even need to play that role considering the shot creating in Wade and Iguodala (both for themselves and other players).

And finally, Wade and Paul most certainly do not cancel each other out.  So all 3 of your points are wrong in my opinion.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Nick Young only put up points cause he played on a bad team. I think Rip could still play ball. I also got CJ miles who was a double digit scorer himself.

Yes, Nick Young's "bad team" won 7 fewer games than the team Rip "could" still play ball for... but didn't.  

Like I said I think we'll all look back in a year or 2 and see that my asertion that Hamilton and Young are passing each othr (one going down, the other coming up) on the production scale.

I think everyone who is voting for new york is putting way to much emphasis on starters. My bench i think could clearly out play their bench. Also one other thought if I play a zone like dallas did against utah wouldnt that negate D Williams?

Well i think that's the right thing to do in the playoffs -- nearly every REAL NBA team shortens their rotation to maximize impact in the playoffs. Like in the real NBA benches in the playoffs after the first 8 guys only come into play b/c of injury or foul trouble.

But while we're discussing benches, who plays backup PG if Conley gets into foul trouble guarding the bigger, stronger Williams: the unproven rookie Kyrie Irving or Jordan Farmar, Deron's real life backup --- neither of whom is the defender Keyon Dooling is.

[riah32]

One of the toughest matchups of the playoffs and one I will probably have to discuss with Rondo in depth to see which way we vote. Since we have until tomorrow, New York, New Jersey, tell me what makes your team the winner here.

And if your answer is Charlie Villanueva and Drew Gooden, you lose.

My answer to you is short and simple the players I drafted fit better than the players on the Knicks. I got Kevin Durant who took his team to the western confernce Finals this year the farthest deron williams has gotten with a pretty good UTAH team is the semi finals. Is Tim Duncan a good person to be running pick and roll with which is what deron likes to do?

In 2007 Utah lost to the spurs in the WCF

I stand corrected on that then he did make it to the finals. Durant went with a less talented bunch that deron did.

[KCattheStripe]

For the CBloggers who have been watching this thread and laughing their butts off but not paying up with te TPS SO and I deserve for saving you from the monotony of the other press conferences:

[riah32]

Nick Young only put up points cause he played on a bad team. I think Rip could still play ball. I also got CJ miles who was a double digit scorer himself.

Yes, Nick Young's "bad team" won 7 fewer games than the team Rip "could" still play ball for... but didn't.  

Like I said I think we'll all look back in a year or 2 and see that my asertion that Hamilton and Young are passing each othr (one going down, the other coming up) on the production scale.

I think everyone who is voting for new york is putting way to much emphasis on starters. My bench i think could clearly out play their bench. Also one other thought if I play a zone like dallas did against utah wouldnt that negate D Williams?

Well i think that's the right thing to do in the playoffs -- nearly every REAL NBA team shortens their rotation to maximize impact in the playoffs. Like in the real NBA benches in the playoffs after the first 8 guys only come into play b/c of injury or foul trouble.

But while we're discussing benches, who plays backup PG if Conley gets into foul trouble guarding the bigger, stronger Williams: the unproven rookie Kyrie Irving or Jordan Farmar, Deron's real life backup --- neither of whom is the defender Keyon Dooling is.

Cant real blame Rip for the season he had last year. Rip has also proven that he isnt a one sason wonder like Nick Youn.

As far as my backup Jordan Farmar has more rings the deron williams so that expiernce would be very helpful in the playoffs. K Irving if as good as advertised would have no problems staying with Williams.

[Kane3387]

This is the toughest in the east. Took me a while and I did some flip flopping but I think Felton makes Nash work too much on defense in the end. I think Washington wins the 7th game at home.

[Gainesville Celtic]

One of the toughest matchups of the playoffs and one I will probably have to discuss with Rondo in depth to see which way we vote. Since we have until tomorrow, New York, New Jersey, tell me what makes your team the winner here.

And if your answer is Charlie Villanueva and Drew Gooden, you lose.

Deron Williams + Loul Deng + Tim Duncan makes NY the winner here.


Durant might be the best player in this series, but Deng guards Durant as well as anyone ad the NJ supporting cast is far inferior to the OKC supporting cast. (Westbrook >> Conley; Harden > Hamilton; Scola > Ibaka; Perk = Perk).


The Deron Williams >> Conley advantage is bigger than I've seen mentioned here (and I really like Conley, don't get me wrong) but Williams is a beast at PG -- and we've got the outside shooting to negate any foolish zone defenses or double teams.


Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Tim Duncan and Tom Thibodeau are champions who will show the rest of our team what it takes to win (an underated component IMO of this fantasy based game).

[Fafnir]

One of the toughest matchups of the playoffs and one I will probably have to discuss with Rondo in depth to see which way we vote. Since we have until tomorrow, New York, New Jersey, tell me what makes your team the winner here.

And if your answer is Charlie Villanueva and Drew Gooden, you lose.

My answer to you is short and simple the players I drafted fit better than the players on the Knicks. I got Kevin Durant who took his team to the western confernce Finals this year the farthest deron williams has gotten with a pretty good UTAH team is the semi finals. Is Tim Duncan a good person to be running pick and roll with which is what deron likes to do?

In 2007 Utah lost to the spurs in the WCF

I stand corrected on that then he did make it to the finals. Durant went with a less talented bunch that deron did.

I don't agree with that. The Thunder are an extremely talented team.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Nick Young only put up points cause he played on a bad team. I think Rip could still play ball. I also got CJ miles who was a double digit scorer himself.

Yes, Nick Young's "bad team" won 7 fewer games than the team Rip "could" still play ball for... but didn't. 

Like I said I think we'll all look back in a year or 2 and see that my asertion that Hamilton and Young are passing each othr (one going down, the other coming up) on the production scale.

I think everyone who is voting for new york is putting way to much emphasis on starters. My bench i think could clearly out play their bench. Also one other thought if I play a zone like dallas did against utah wouldnt that negate D Williams?

Well i think that's the right thing to do in the playoffs -- nearly every REAL NBA team shortens their rotation to maximize impact in the playoffs. Like in the real NBA benches in the playoffs after the first 8 guys only come into play b/c of injury or foul trouble.

But while we're discussing benches, who plays backup PG if Conley gets into foul trouble guarding the bigger, stronger Williams: the unproven rookie Kyrie Irving or Jordan Farmar, Deron's real life backup --- neither of whom is the defender Keyon Dooling is.

Cant real blame Rip for the season he had last year. Rip has also proven that he isnt a one sason wonder like Nick Youn.

As far as my backup Jordan Farmar has more rings the deron williams so that expiernce would be very helpful in the playoffs. K Irving if as good as advertised would have no problems staying with Williams.

So Rip doesn't get any blame for having virtually the same season as Nick Young -- who gets all the blame b/c he's a one-year wonder, a selfish guy on a bad team, etc. That's a bit disingenuine, IMO.

We ALL agree DET was a mess last year, but Rip has had down years for each of the last 2 seasons -- and DET has been bad despite having a good amount of talent... Rip HAS to share in some of that blame, just like Pierce had to share some of the blame in 2006-07, etc.

If a guy like Nick Young gets the "good stats on bad team" label, a supposed veteran leader like Rip Hamilton has to also share in the blame of a leaderless, underperforming team.

[riah32]

One of the toughest matchups of the playoffs and one I will probably have to discuss with Rondo in depth to see which way we vote. Since we have until tomorrow, New York, New Jersey, tell me what makes your team the winner here.

And if your answer is Charlie Villanueva and Drew Gooden, you lose.

Deron Williams + Loul Deng + Tim Duncan makes NY the winner here.


Durant might be the best player in this series, but Deng guards Durant as well as anyone ad the NJ supporting cast is far inferior to the OKC supporting cast. (Westbrook >> Conley; Harden > Hamilton; Scola > Ibaka; Perk = Perk).


The Deron Williams >> Conley advantage is bigger than I've seen mentioned here (and I really like Conley, don't get me wrong) but Williams is a beast at PG -- and we've got the outside shooting to negate any foolish zone defenses or double teams.


Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Tim Duncan and Tom Thibodeau are champions who will show the rest of our team what it takes to win (an underated component IMO of this fantasy based game).

How is ibaka better than Scola, How is Harden better than Rip?

I'll give you Conly being << than westbook but i think my team gives durant a little more spacing by surronding him with shooters and having perkins set screens. I also think my bench is better than the real okalahoma city bench. IF Deng is so good howcome he couldnt stop or slow down lebron or dwade?

[mgent]

The Pacers have a slight lead in my mind.  This series is the reason I haven't voted yet.

[Roy H.]

I voted for Philly.  This would be 4-0, or at worst, 4-1, in my opinion.

[StartOrien]

The Pacers have a slight lead in my mind.  This series is the reason I haven't voted yet.

What's holding you up? Is there any questions either me or KC could answer that'd help you w/ your decision?

[Roy H.]

Definitely a very entertaining matchup.  I went with the Pacers, probably in 6.  I really like Gordon, Horford, and Holiday, but much like last year's Wiggle version, I don't love the fit all together. 

Again, though, the Celtics are in the early lead for "I told you so" status.