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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #165 on: August 01, 2011, 03:21:25 PM »

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I voted Pacers....not even close, imo


Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Sixers (1) V Magic (8)
« Reply #166 on: August 01, 2011, 03:23:33 PM »

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This could be a team that could give the Sixers some trouble with the zone.
Please not this again.

I still don't think you've countered with a good argument against it. To me, this is definitely a team that could struggle against a 2-3 zone with the right personnel.
Do you really believe that JaVale McGee, Brandon Bass, Jason Richardson and Corey Maggette are the "right personnel" in a zone to give the Sixers trouble or are you just setting the stage for your argument against them if your team has to play them because you are afraid you will lose the one on one matchups?

Because, honestly, in this series, I think it a poor argument for Orlando against Philly. Philly is just too good for this Orlando team whether the Magic play a 2-3 zone, a 1-3-1 zone, a box and 1 zone, a half court trapping zone or man to man. I don't see it making a difference.

Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Sixers (1) V Magic (8)
« Reply #167 on: August 01, 2011, 03:23:52 PM »

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This could be a team that could give the Sixers some trouble with the zone.
Please not this again.

I still don't think you've countered with a good argument against it. To me, this is definitely a team that could struggle against a 2-3 zone with the right personnel.
Where were you for like my 3 pages of good arguments?

Consistently disagreeing with the points you were making.

To be honest, I only brought it up to see if I could breathe some life into this match up. I got the Sixers and haven't thought twice about it. 
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Knicks (3) V Nets (6)
« Reply #168 on: August 01, 2011, 03:24:00 PM »

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Question for the Nets:

To me, where you could find a lot of success in this matchup would be Richard Hamilton. How do you see the matchup against a young defender like Meeks playing out?

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Are your guards up to chasing Rip around Perk picks?  (Well are your Gs besides Young who doesn't play defense)

Question for the Knicks:

What do you expect the minute breakdowns to be for Meeks vs. Young?

I'm gonna tackle these 2(+1) together. As I mentioned in my press conference I'm gonna play Young 28-30 mpg, Meeks 20-22 mpg. Meeks starts b/c I'm a big fan of Red Auerbach's philosophy of the benefits of a 6th man.

Look, I'm not gonna pretend to try and win the public relations battle of Nick Young over Rip Hamilton (a losing battle I fear given peeople's perception of Young -- though I agree with JB from CelticsStuff Live in calling Rip the "rat faced weasel").

But to act like there is a HUGE gulf between Young and Hamilton at this point -- or even that this series would turn on the SG matchup -- ignores Young's improvement and Rip's decline.

Their games are very similar: Is Young going to have trouble staying with Rip off of all those picks? Yeah. But so will Rip -- who's never been confused as a great defender.

Look at the 2010-11 comarison of Young & Hamilton. Comparing their per36 numbers (to try and account for DET's abysmal coaching):

Young:
19.7 pts, 1.9 3pts, 44.1% FG, 38% 3Pt, 53.8% TS%, 14.5 PER, 114 Def. Rtg, 0.4 Def Win Shares

Hamilton:
18.7 pts, 1.3 3pts, 42.9% FG, 38% 3Pt, 52.0% TS%, 15.8 PER, 115 Def. Rtg, 0.2 Def Win Shares

Am I missing something here? Can 2 players be statistically closer?

Rip is clearly the more seasoned, experience player, but their games are very similar -- constant motion, quality mid-range & outside shooting not a whole lot of defense. Hamilton is a better passer (4.1 to 1.3 ast/36 -- but as I covered in my press conf. Young was asked to shoot when he got the ball ... and he did), Young takes care of the ball better.

Hamilton could/should have been a veteran leader on the Pistons, instead he couldn't get consistent minutes. And in the few Pistons games I saw he clearly had lost a step. Yeah i put alot of that on Kuester, but some of that has to fall on Rip.

On the other hand Young did everything he was asked to. From my press conference:



Quote from: Rook6980 in "Nick Young - Selfish black hole? or Efficient scorer?"
My position is that Nick is an efficient scorer - but because of his role in the Offense, he is not asked to "create" offense, but rather to finish offensive plays...

I decided to look back at the 2010-2011 season and watch each and every offensive play available to me on MySynergySports.com.  I hoped to draw some conclusions from watching the actual plays. I hoped to gather some facts that either proved or disproved my point. And of course, since there's no actual basketball, I'm kind of going into withdrawal...

Spot up shooting, Screen plays, Iso's and Transition make up more than 75% of the offensive plays Nick was involved in. After watching all 1,105 plays, I was blown away by how efficient Nick was at spot-up shooting, especially 3-point spot ups. He shot 46% (69% TSP , or 1.38 points per play) from the 3-point line in spot up situations...For comparison Ray Allen, the premier shooter in the League, shot 49% in spot up 3-point situations last year.

Out of 1105 offensive plays, I saw exactly THREE instances where Nick shot the ball and a teammate was (semi) open either under the basket, or closer to the basket with a clear lane to the hoop... THREE TIMES - and he hit one of those shots.

To those who insist on pointing to the anemic assist numbers for Nick - let's remember what his role was on the team. His role was not to dominate the ball. He was not supposed to hold his dribble, survey the court, look for openings in the defense, create driving opportunities, which in turn create open shots for teammates - and then pass to them to take a shot. It was Nick's job to be continually moving without the ball. Running around screens. Setting up in the corners. His job was to get open and shoot. If he didn't get open, he didn't get the basketball. It's hard to get assists when you don't have the basketball - and when he DID get the basketball, it meant he was open and his Coach and teammates expected him to shoot. Clearly the Wizards coaching staff were maximizing Nick's strengths (46% spot up 3-point shooting - ability to catch-and-shoot off screens), and minimizing his weaknesses.

 


I fear this is one of those arguments that I'll only be vindicated in after the next season (which may never happen) b/c people are thinking of Rip Hamilton (c. 2009 not 2011):

In the last 2 seasons Hamilton has scored 20+ points in 31 of a possible 164 games (playing in only 61% of those games b/c of injury or DNP-CD).

By contrast, Nick Young scored 20+ points 30 times LAST YEAR ALONE in 64 games. And he did it shooting a higher percentage.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Sixers (1) V Magic (8)
« Reply #169 on: August 01, 2011, 03:24:39 PM »

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Do you really believe that JaVale McGee, Brandon Bass, Jason Richardson and Corey Maggette are the "right personnel" in a zone to give the Sixers trouble or are you just setting the stage for your argument against them if your team has to play them because you are afraid you will lose the one on one matchups?

Definitely not setting the stage. I don't have the personnel for a 2-3 zone.

Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #170 on: August 01, 2011, 03:25:46 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #172 on: August 01, 2011, 03:27:41 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Knicks (3) V Nets (6)
« Reply #173 on: August 01, 2011, 03:28:25 PM »

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I really hate Jodie Meeks starting for the Knicks.

He is a third string SG who only got the nod in Phily because they were so desperate for some jump-shooting. Not a good player.


Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #175 on: August 01, 2011, 03:36:05 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #176 on: August 01, 2011, 03:37:21 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #177 on: August 01, 2011, 03:40:10 PM »

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This was a close one, but I ended up voting for the Indiana Pacers.
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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #178 on: August 01, 2011, 03:43:02 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB Eastern 1st Round: Pacers(2) V Celtics (7)
« Reply #179 on: August 01, 2011, 03:43:43 PM »

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This was a close one, but I ended up voting for the Indiana Pacers.