2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[indeedproceed]

WD put together another excellent squad.

So deep, he could afford to replace starters Ray Felton and Landry Fields with Goran Dragic and Delonte West (when healthy).

Terrific frontcourt with LMA, Gortatertot, Ryan Anderson, and Kanter. Cagey Battier off the bench.

Good team but I don't see Aldridge as that guy yet who can dominate the last two minutes of playoff games. Battier is very overrated at this point. I love Dragic, but Delonte did nothing to make me think he isn't still very undependable.

I rate Aldridge about as good as I rate Bosh, probably a better scorer but a little less well-rounded. This year he kind of stepped sideways, but the whole organization pretty much self-destructed.

[Fafnir]

WD put together another excellent squad.

So deep, he could afford to replace starters Ray Felton and Landry Fields with Goran Dragic and Delonte West (when healthy).

Terrific frontcourt with LMA, Gortatertot, Ryan Anderson, and Kanter. Cagey Battier off the bench.

Good team but I don't see Aldridge as that guy yet who can dominate the last two minutes of playoff games. Battier is very overrated at this point. I love Dragic, but Delonte did nothing to make me think he isn't still very undependable.

I rate Aldridge about as good as I rate Bosh, probably a better scorer but a little less well-rounded. This year he kind of stepped sideways, but the whole organization pretty much self-destructed.

Aldridge petty much moved to C full time this year (and last year truthfully), I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing for him.

[indeedproceed]

WD put together another excellent squad.

So deep, he could afford to replace starters Ray Felton and Landry Fields with Goran Dragic and Delonte West (when healthy).

Terrific frontcourt with LMA, Gortatertot, Ryan Anderson, and Kanter. Cagey Battier off the bench.

Good team but I don't see Aldridge as that guy yet who can dominate the last two minutes of playoff games. Battier is very overrated at this point. I love Dragic, but Delonte did nothing to make me think he isn't still very undependable.

I rate Aldridge about as good as I rate Bosh, probably a better scorer but a little less well-rounded. This year he kind of stepped sideways, but the whole organization pretty much self-destructed.

Aldridge petty much moved to C full time this year (and last year truthfully), I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing for him.

Really, cuz that's not how it looks at 82 games.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR13.HTM#5man

[Fafnir]

Did you watch the Memphis/LAC series? Martin's defense was a huge part of why the Clips won. His range as a defender was impressive, as well as his ability to cover not just either ZBO or Gasol but to also match up with Rudy.

Watched the whole thing, Martin wasn't very good. He played solid D while fouling frequently and not getting many points or boards.

He was their PJ Brown which is good and necessary to win playoff series, but he's not worth even wasting time discussing when comparing how KG would fare next to Griffin.

Meanwhile, it's your thinking that's inverted if you think that a team should be worried about KG enhancing Griffin's offense even though it would hurt his own. KG right now is far and away the better offensive player and a team would be better off surrounding him with players that would allow him to thrive against one-on-one coverage rather than clog things up for him.

This entire paragraph assumes that Griffin would stiffle KG's offense, this isn't the case. KG would thrive with a front court partner who can explode to the rim and good hands. KG's spacing needs can be accomplished by the PG/SG/SF as much as his PF partner.

Meanwhile defensively KG's versatile nature and ability would do wonders for Griffin.

[Fafnir]

Really, cuz that's not how it looks at 82 games.

http://www.82games.com/1112/11POR13.HTM#5man

2/3, 1/3 is less time at C than I thought it was it what games I watched. The more you know.....

Though I wonder how many of those have guys at C who could be called a forward just as easily.

Last year it was about 50/50, more "C" as the year went on.

[KCattheStripe]

Did you watch the Memphis/LAC series? Martin's defense was a huge part of why the Clips won. His range as a defender was impressive, as well as his ability to cover not just either ZBO or Gasol but to also match up with Rudy.

Watched the whole thing, Martin wasn't very good. He played solid D while fouling frequently and not getting many points or boards.

He was their PJ Brown which is good and necessary to win playoff series, but he's not worth even wasting time discussing when comparing how KG would fare next to Griffin.

Meanwhile, it's your thinking that's inverted if you think that a team should be worried about KG enhancing Griffin's offense even though it would hurt his own. KG right now is far and away the better offensive player and a team would be better off surrounding him with players that would allow him to thrive against one-on-one coverage rather than clog things up for him.

This entire paragraph assumes that Griffin would stiffle KG's offense, this isn't the case. KG would thrive with a front court partner who can explode to the rim and good hands. KG's spacing needs can be accomplished by the PG/SG/SF as much as his PF partner.

Meanwhile defensively KG's versatile nature and ability would do wonders for Griffin.

First off, Martin was far more instrumental to that series than PJ Brown ever was. Doc never would have closed out a close game 7 with PJ on the floor, especially if there was a better offensive option. He played better than solid defense. But this is another case of Faf seeing black where KC sees white.

Secondly, KG would not thrive with an offensive partner with one offensive skill, especially not when he's in the post. Yes, KG would be able to pass out of the double but if Blake's in the post, then his defender and KGs are already there and at worst he's fouled and sent to the line. And if he's being left alone at the free throw line then he receives the pass and literally can only go right to the basket. None of these things would help KG in the post.

[Fafnir]

Did you watch the Memphis/LAC series? Martin's defense was a huge part of why the Clips won. His range as a defender was impressive, as well as his ability to cover not just either ZBO or Gasol but to also match up with Rudy.

Watched the whole thing, Martin wasn't very good. He played solid D while fouling frequently and not getting many points or boards.

He was their PJ Brown which is good and necessary to win playoff series, but he's not worth even wasting time discussing when comparing how KG would fare next to Griffin.

Meanwhile, it's your thinking that's inverted if you think that a team should be worried about KG enhancing Griffin's offense even though it would hurt his own. KG right now is far and away the better offensive player and a team would be better off surrounding him with players that would allow him to thrive against one-on-one coverage rather than clog things up for him.

This entire paragraph assumes that Griffin would stiffle KG's offense, this isn't the case. KG would thrive with a front court partner who can explode to the rim and good hands. KG's spacing needs can be accomplished by the PG/SG/SF as much as his PF partner.

Meanwhile defensively KG's versatile nature and ability would do wonders for Griffin.

First off, Martin was far more instrumental to that series than PJ Brown ever was. Doc never would have closed out a close game 7 with PJ on the floor, especially if there was a better offensive option. He played better than solid defense. But this is another case of Faf seeing black where KC sees white.

Secondly, KG would not thrive with an offensive partner with one offensive skill, especially not when he's in the post. Yes, KG would be able to pass out of the double but if Blake's in the post, then his defender and KGs are already there and at worst he's fouled and sent to the line. And if he's being left alone at the free throw line then he receives the pass and literally can only go right to the basket. None of these things would help KG in the post.

1. Doc totally did close out playoff games with PJ Brown. He had KG/Pierce/Ray/Rondo (sometimes not Rondo but usually) + the "hot hand" guy. Sometimes that was Posey, sometimes Perkins, sometimes Glen Davis, and sometimes PJ Brown. Changed from series to series really.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080518&game=CLEBOS

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080522&game=DETBOS

2. Blake Griffin has more than one offensive skill, you make him sound like a liability for a player with KG's skill set to fit next to, which is non-sensical.

What player would fit next to Blake Griffin if KG wouldn't? Because at this point I think you just don't like Griffin. KG worked just fine with Leon Powe in the past. Griffin is Leon Powe with 3 more inches and without the multiple knee injuries.

[KCattheStripe]

1. Doc totally did close out playoff games with PJ Brown. He had KG/Pierce/Ray/Rondo (sometimes not Rondo but usually) + the "hot hand" guy. Sometimes that was Posey, sometimes Perkins, sometimes Glen Davis, and sometimes PJ Brown. Changed from series to series really.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080518&game=CLEBOS

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080522&game=DETBOS

2. Blake Griffin has more than one offensive skill, you make him sound like a liability for a player with KG's skill set to fit next to, which is non-sensical.

What player would fit next to Blake Griffin if KG wouldn't? Because at this point I think you just don't like Griffin.

1. He didn't have better offensive options than PJ, which was my point. Martin and Evans played huge minutes while Blake sat.

2. My point isn't who would make Blake better, it's who would make KG better. And at this point, that's what you have to be most concerned with, finding pieces that make your best players better. If you're going to play KG at the C, then he has to play in the post where his speed and length will kill centers, but he needs a PF who can make the double team pay. That's not Griffin right now. KG would hide Griffin's defensive liabilities, but like I said if I'm putting a team together with KG as my C, I'm not looking for how KG will make that players life easier, A, because KG's that good that it's a given that he makes everyone better and B because I need to maximize KG's offensive impact.

I'm not sure who makes Griffin better on D, dude's got to get better on his own before I know what he can improve on and what are just his natural deficiencies. Offensively, Ironically I think Marc Gasol would make him better and I think Blake would cover for Gasol's distaste for the interior. I love Marc, but even when he posts up he does it from the midblock.

I like Griffin and I think he's got a ton of potential, but if I'm making a team with KG as my center, the future is now and I don't have time for Blake to refine his game to make KG's life easier.

[Fafnir]

1. Doc totally did close out playoff games with PJ Brown. He had KG/Pierce/Ray/Rondo (sometimes not Rondo but usually) + the "hot hand" guy. Sometimes that was Posey, sometimes Perkins, sometimes Glen Davis, and sometimes PJ Brown. Changed from series to series really.

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080518&game=CLEBOS

http://popcornmachine.net/cgi-bin/gameflow.cgi?date=20080522&game=DETBOS

2. Blake Griffin has more than one offensive skill, you make him sound like a liability for a player with KG's skill set to fit next to, which is non-sensical.

What player would fit next to Blake Griffin if KG wouldn't? Because at this point I think you just don't like Griffin.

1. He didn't have better offensive options than PJ, which was my point. Martin and Evans played huge minutes while Blake sat.

With a gimpy knee where he couldn't move, he asked out of the game after a 90 second stretch in game 7. Every other game he was on the court to close out the game after some rest around the end of the third or begining of fourth.

Got it on KG, if you really think that little of Griffin I get your POV on this question. Though I think you're making jump shooting a fetish beyond reason.

KG does fine with Rondo on the court, lack of spacing from a PG is a much worse sin than your athletic PF partner.

[KCattheStripe]

Though I think you're making jump shooting a fetish beyond reason.

It's like talking to a wall of hyperbole.

[Fafnir]

Though I think you're making jump shooting a fetish beyond reason.

It's like talking to a wall of hyperbole.

Says the man who confidently declared Blake Griffin has one offensive skill and KG a poor fit based on a single offensive skill (shooting) Griffin lacks himself.

Is there anyone Griffin would fit with? Or is he just not a winning basketball player right now.

[KCattheStripe]

Though I think you're making jump shooting a fetish beyond reason.

It's like talking to a wall of hyperbole.

Says the man who confidently declared Blake Griffin has one offensive skill and KG a poor fit based on a single offensive skill (shooting) Griffin lacks himself.

Is there anyone Griffin would fit with? Or is he just not a winning basketball player right now.

A) What do you think are his skills on the offensive end of the floor? He's not a good passer, he's not a good shooter. He's got an OK handle, but even that's clunky. He's great in transition and has a semi-decent baby hook. That's all I've seen.

B) I gave you a good fit offensively, but I guess you were to concerned with my fetishes to read.

[nickagneta]

Hehehehe

[KCattheStripe]

Hehehehe

HOW DARE YOU MOCK ME USING MY MEME FETISH!

[Fafnir]

Though I think you're making jump shooting a fetish beyond reason.

It's like talking to a wall of hyperbole.

Says the man who confidently declared Blake Griffin has one offensive skill and KG a poor fit based on a single offensive skill (shooting) Griffin lacks himself.

Is there anyone Griffin would fit with? Or is he just not a winning basketball player right now.

A) What do you think are his skills on the offensive end of the floor? He's not a good passer, he's not a good shooter. He's got an OK handle, but even that's clunky. He's great in transition and has a semi-decent baby hook. That's all I've seen.

I actually think Griffin is a good passer and has a good handle for a big man, his assist rate is very good for a PF. When CP3 isn't busy pounding the air out of the ball and they run their offense through Blake he does a good job with it.

His post game with his back to the basket is raw, but his face up game is suprisingly good.

Honestly your Marc Gasol fit has me confused, he's a worse shooter/passer than KG. KG can work the high post just like Gasol likes to and has done so in the past with great success.

I still don't see it, but since you want to roll your eyes at me I'll stop before you break out more silly pictures.