2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[mgent]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

Exactly.  Plus, that team had Richard Jefferson (44.0% 3PT%), Rashard Lewis (39.0% career 3PT%), Francisco Garcia (36.2% 3PT%), and Courtney Lee (40.8% 3PT%) on the wings.  

Great post offense, great rebounding, great outside shooting, and great penetration.  A great bench (let's say Gooden, Dampier, Lee, and Jefferson).  The defense would have been average, but not terrible.

I'm declaring 2010 victory.

Never would've scored on Chauncey, J-Rich, Marion, Big Ben, and KG.

Although Calderon, Casspi, Gallo, Gasol, and Yao would've.  

[Roy H.]

Roy might've gotten a little more criticism than he deserved for that one.

I don't know if the criticism was unfair at the time. If Jamison played similar to how he did the year before (sans the Garnett series) I think it's a valid concern. The change is either the continued decline in his game (likely), or the misuse of him in Cleveland (which is a valid criticism, but I think it's more of a case that he's cooked).

Jamison never could have covered either Randolph or Boozer consistently.  You can argue that Boozer would have struggled against Howard, but Randolph would have taken Jamison apart. 

The only question on a given possession would have been whether it would be Boozer or Randolph in the post, or whether they'd both clear out to give Rose more of a lane.  I think a team centered around Howard and KG would have struggled at times with that offense.  Up against Howard, Jamison, and Baron Davis, it was a total mismatch.

Howard couldn't do it alone.  However (and no disrespect for anybody here), I think some folks didn't want to vote for the same team two years in a row.  I think you saw the same thing happen this year a bit, and if mgent puts together a really strong team next year, I'm sure we'll see it again.

[StartOrien]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

That's easy. healthy dose of antawn jamison, duh

Haha, okay Mr. I-Like-Randolph-But-Boozer's-Game-Is-Ugly.

I'll stand by my criticisms of Boozer. I don't like him as a player. I don't think you can count on him against better opponents (particularly taller ones) to get you buckets.


Combine that with the fact that, in my opinion he's either a poor to average defender, I don't think he's worth where he gets drafted or picked.

[Roy H.]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

Exactly.  Plus, that team had Richard Jefferson (44.0% 3PT%), Rashard Lewis (39.0% career 3PT%), Francisco Garcia (36.2% 3PT%), and Courtney Lee (40.8% 3PT%) on the wings.  

Great post offense, great rebounding, great outside shooting, and great penetration.  A great bench (let's say Gooden, Dampier, Lee, and Jefferson).  The defense would have been average, but not terrible.

I'm declaring 2010 victory.

Ha. Al Gore called. He wants to know if this worked.

I should have taken my fame from my stolen victory and used it to launch my budding career as an environmentalist, apparently.

[Roy H.]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

That's easy. healthy dose of antawn jamison, duh

Haha, okay Mr. I-Like-Randolph-But-Boozer's-Game-Is-Ugly.

I'll stand by my criticisms of Boozer. I don't like him as a player. I don't think you can count on him against better opponents (particularly taller ones) to get you buckets.


Combine that with the fact that, in my opinion he's either a poor to average defender, I don't think he's worth where he gets drafted or picked.

I know we disagree on this, but 20 points, 10+ rebounds, and highly efficient offense, coupled with average defense, is worthy of a first rounder in my mind.

I get the "he struggles with taller players" meme, but in '10 he averaged 19.5 points on 56% shooting.  Guys who struggle with bigger opponents simply can't put up numbers like that.

[KCattheStripe]

Exactly.  Plus, that team had Richard Jefferson (44.0% 3PT%), Rashard Lewis (39.0% career 3PT%),

Really?Season numbers for RJ and then career for Rashard? Really? Get that lawyer talk outta here.

[KCattheStripe]

 

Great post offense, great rebounding, great outside shooting, and great penetration.  A great bench (let's say Gooden, Dampier, Lee, and Jefferson).  The defense would have been average, but not terrible.

So RJ at the 3 where his defense is worse and this is the same Eric Dampier who didn't play in the post season for the Heat? And Gooden, that's still Drew and not Doc, right?

[StartOrien]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

That's easy. healthy dose of antawn jamison, duh

Haha, okay Mr. I-Like-Randolph-But-Boozer's-Game-Is-Ugly.

I'll stand by my criticisms of Boozer. I don't like him as a player. I don't think you can count on him against better opponents (particularly taller ones) to get you buckets.


Combine that with the fact that, in my opinion he's either a poor to average defender, I don't think he's worth where he gets drafted or picked.

I know we disagree on this, but 20 points, 10+ rebounds, and highly efficient offense, coupled with average defense, is worthy of a first rounder in my mind.

I get the "he struggles with taller players" meme, but in '10 he averaged 19.5 points on 56% shooting.  Guys who struggle with bigger opponents simply can't put up numbers like that.

To me - and they're two completely different types of players -  but I compare him to how I saw Antoine Walker.

Walker played great, and put up great numbers but once he got matched up against a good opponent he couldn't do anything to help his team win. Kenyon Martin sticks out as a guy who would eat him up every time.

So his efficiency takes a small hit, but you start to look to lesser players to perform at a higher level.  

[mgent]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

That's easy. healthy dose of antawn jamison, duh

Haha, okay Mr. I-Like-Randolph-But-Boozer's-Game-Is-Ugly.

I'll stand by my criticisms of Boozer. I don't like him as a player. I don't think you can count on him against better opponents (particularly taller ones) to get you buckets.


Combine that with the fact that, in my opinion he's either a poor to average defender, I don't think he's worth where he gets drafted or picked.

I heard your criticisms, but I wonder what the big difference is between them in your mind.  They are quite similar in ability and style.

[indeedproceed]

Exactly.  Plus, that team had Richard Jefferson (44.0% 3PT%), Rashard Lewis (39.0% career 3PT%),

Really?Season numbers for RJ and then career for Rashard? Really? Get that lawyer talk outta here.

C'mon Son!

[Roy H.]

Exactly.  Plus, that team had Richard Jefferson (44.0% 3PT%), Rashard Lewis (39.0% career 3PT%),

Really?Season numbers for RJ and then career for Rashard? Really? Get that lawyer talk outta here.

Lewis was in a bad situation last year, but he still hit 35.7% from three.  However, I think his career numbers are more indicative of his skill level.

Regardless, there were four elite 3PT shooters on the wing, along with Jeff Teague at backup PG (37.5% 3PT%).

I'm pretty happy with how that team holds up over time.  The CrotoNats look worse with age (although Jrue Holiday, Taj Gibson, and Jared Dudley really helped with the age factor).  However, the Fake Kings were much better than many voted.

[KCattheStripe]

You know, I always had a soft spot for the Randolph and Boozer pairing.  I questioned the defense, but the rebounding is great and how the hell would you stop both of them (even without Rose in the picture)?

That's easy. healthy dose of antawn jamison, duh

Haha, okay Mr. I-Like-Randolph-But-Boozer's-Game-Is-Ugly.

I'll stand by my criticisms of Boozer. I don't like him as a player. I don't think you can count on him against better opponents (particularly taller ones) to get you buckets.


Combine that with the fact that, in my opinion he's either a poor to average defender, I don't think he's worth where he gets drafted or picked.

I heard your criticisms, but I wonder what the big difference is between them in your mind.  They are quite similar in ability and style.

ZBo:
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Boozer:

[Roy H.]

 

Great post offense, great rebounding, great outside shooting, and great penetration.  A great bench (let's say Gooden, Dampier, Lee, and Jefferson).  The defense would have been average, but not terrible.

So RJ at the 3 where his defense is worse and this is the same Eric Dampier who didn't play in the post season for the Heat? And Gooden, that's still Drew and not Doc, right?

Picking at nits.  Also, I'm quite happy with Jefferson at the 3, and Rashard, too.  Gooden produces.  Dampier wasn't a great fit for Miami's system -- he's more of a half-court player -- but he can still play defense and rebound.

[KCattheStripe]

Exactly.  Plus, that team had Richard Jefferson (44.0% 3PT%), Rashard Lewis (39.0% career 3PT%),

Really?Season numbers for RJ and then career for Rashard? Really? Get that lawyer talk outta here.

Lewis was in a bad situation last year, but he still hit 35.7% from three.  However, I think his career numbers are more indicative of his skill level.

Regardless, there were four elite 3PT shooters on the wing, along with Jeff Teague at backup PG (37.5% 3PT%).

I'm not claiming he's a bad shooter, but we've all done enough Celtics Blog drafts to catch your basic pump fakes Roy. Try harder,

[indeedproceed]

Great post offense, great rebounding, great outside shooting, and great penetration.  A great bench (let's say Gooden, Dampier, Lee, and Jefferson).  The defense would have been average, but not terrible.

So RJ at the 3 where his defense is worse and this is the same Eric Dampier who didn't play in the post season for the Heat? And Gooden, that's still Drew and not Doc, right?

Picking at nits.  Also, I'm quite happy with Jefferson at the 3, and Rashard, too.  Gooden produces.  Dampier wasn't a great fit for Miami's system -- he's more of a half-court player -- but he can still play defense and rebound.

Did you just say Gooden produces? Where the heck were you during the pick 2 draft?