2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[nickagneta]

Iguodala led SGs (how he's listed on basketball-reference) in assists per game or was 2nd for SFs.  Wade, before he teamed up with LeBron, was a 6-7 assist per game player.  The only better passing wing is LeBron.

To me number per game doesn't equal premier, especially with passing.

Jose Calderon has put up some impressive assist numbers. Not premier passer in my book.

Tyson Chandler has put up impressive rebounding numbers. Not a premier rebounder in my book.

Allen Iverson scored a lot of points. Not a premier shooter in my book.

Al Jefferson blocks a lot of shots. Not a premier defender in my book.

Maybe just semantics but if Wade and Iguodala are premier perimeter passers then, thanks for the compliment because that must make LeBron and Billups super elite.

[mgent]

Iguodala led SGs (how he's listed on basketball-reference) in assists per game or was 2nd for SFs.  Wade, before he teamed up with LeBron, was a 6-7 assist per game player.  The only better passing wing is LeBron.

So now you're saying you're playing Igoudala out of position? 

Isn't that the issue with him and Turner?  Both are SGs?

You guys are really just making stuff up now trying to find problems with my team.  Iguodala is clearly capable of playing both, has played SF overwhelmingly more than SG over his career, and hasn't even really seen consistent minutes at SG in a while.

[mgent]

Iguodala led SGs (how he's listed on basketball-reference) in assists per game or was 2nd for SFs.  Wade, before he teamed up with LeBron, was a 6-7 assist per game player.  The only better passing wing is LeBron.

To me number per game doesn't equal premier, especially with passing.

Jose Calderon has put up some impressive assist numbers. Not premier passer in my book.

Tyson Chandler has put up impressive rebounding numbers. Not a premier rebounder in my book.

Allen Iverson scored a lot of points. Not a premier shooter in my book.

Al Jefferson blocks a lot of shots. Not a premier defender in my book.

Maybe just semantics but if Wade and Iguodala are premier perimeter passers then, thanks for the compliment because that must make LeBron and Billups super elite.

Whatever you say.

[KCattheStripe]

Iguodala led SGs (how he's listed on basketball-reference) in assists per game or was 2nd for SFs.  Wade, before he teamed up with LeBron, was a 6-7 assist per game player.  The only better passing wing is LeBron.

So now you're saying you're playing Igoudala out of position? 

Isn't that the issue with him and Turner?  Both are SGs?

You guys are really just making stuff up now trying to find problems with my team.  Iguodala is clearly capable of playing both, has played SF overwhelmingly more than SG over his career, and hasn't even really seen consistent minutes at SG in a while.

In my defense, I was kidding.

[nickagneta]

Iguodala led SGs (how he's listed on basketball-reference) in assists per game or was 2nd for SFs.  Wade, before he teamed up with LeBron, was a 6-7 assist per game player.  The only better passing wing is LeBron.

To me number per game doesn't equal premier, especially with passing.

Jose Calderon has put up some impressive assist numbers. Not premier passer in my book.

Tyson Chandler has put up impressive rebounding numbers. Not a premier rebounder in my book.

Allen Iverson scored a lot of points. Not a premier shooter in my book.

Al Jefferson blocks a lot of shots. Not a premier defender in my book.

Maybe just semantics but if Wade and Iguodala are premier perimeter passers then, thanks for the compliment because that must make LeBron and Billups super elite.

Whatever you say.

I will say this, with Iguodala, Wade and Hinrich, you might have the best passing PG/SG/SF combo in the league. All are very high quality passers.

Its one of the reasons we got Jennings and Diaw to come off the bench. We wanted the very good to great ball movement to continue even when we went to the bench.

Big believer in defense, rebounding and passing equaling a championship. Balance with multiple skills is the key.

[mgent]

Iguodala led SGs (how he's listed on basketball-reference) in assists per game or was 2nd for SFs.  Wade, before he teamed up with LeBron, was a 6-7 assist per game player.  The only better passing wing is LeBron.

To me number per game doesn't equal premier, especially with passing.

Jose Calderon has put up some impressive assist numbers. Not premier passer in my book.

Tyson Chandler has put up impressive rebounding numbers. Not a premier rebounder in my book.

Allen Iverson scored a lot of points. Not a premier shooter in my book.

Al Jefferson blocks a lot of shots. Not a premier defender in my book.

Maybe just semantics but if Wade and Iguodala are premier perimeter passers then, thanks for the compliment because that must make LeBron and Billups super elite.

Whatever you say.

I will say this, with Iguodala, Wade and Hinrich, you might have the best passing PG/SG/SF combo in the league. All are very high quality passers.

Its one of the reasons we got Jennings and Diaw to come off the bench. We wanted the very good to great ball movement to continue even when we went to the bench.

Big believer in defense, rebounding and passing equaling a championship. Balance with multiple skills is the key.

Fair enough, but those examples you listed were way off topic.  Bottom line is the only other wing that is a better passer than Wade and Iggy is LeBron.  That's where I got premier from.  Having 2 players on the perimeter with such great passing (not including the PG) is a very rare occurrence, that I don't think has happened since Scottie and Michael.  In their case it was a successful combination, and Wade/LeBron made it to the Finals in their first year of the same passing lineup.

[Kane3387]

Though he doesnt do it that much, Kobe is a better passer then both in terms of vision.

[mgent]

Though he doesnt it that much, Kobe is a better passer then both in terms of vision.

Kobe is a career 4-5 apg player who has the ball in his hands twice as much as Iguodala.  On top of that he's declining.

I wouldn't have made a bold statement like I have 2 of the top 3 passers on the wing if it wasn't true.  Passing is an extremely underrated part of the game (except for NickA he seems to get it) and having two extremely high quality passers at the 2 and 3 is a powerful combination that is unbelievably difficult to guard.  And if history tells us anything it's a combination that is dangerously successful.

The only other teams with above average passing outside of the PG is the Suns and maybe the Celts, and neither are even close to Philly.

Edit:  I guess LeBron all by himself earns a spot in that category.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Eastern Conference
1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Bulls
4. Magic
5. Celtics
6. Pacers
7. Bucks
8. Heat
9. 76ers
10. Bullets
11. Pistons
12. Hawks

Western Conference
1. Jazz
2. Warriors
3. Grizzlies
4. Spurs
5. Trailblazers
6. Suns
7. Thunder
8. Nuggets
9. Lakers
10. Kings
11. Mavericks

So here's my ballot for those that are curious. I'm in Vegas, on my phone - saw Maggette and Azubuike last night - so sorry I can't expound at length.

[nickagneta]

Western Conference

10. Kings
11. Mavericks

So here's my ballot for those that are curious. I'm in Vegas, on my phone - saw Maggette and Azubuike last night - so sorry I can't expound at length.

Speechless!!!!

[KCattheStripe]

Western Conference

10. Kings
11. Mavericks

So here's my ballot for those that are curious. I'm in Vegas, on my phone - saw Maggette and Azubuike last night - so sorry I can't expound at length.

Speechless!!!!

He's anticipating We Matthews demanding a trade to the Celtics.

[RebusRankin]

Eastern Conference
1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Bulls
4. Magic
5. Celtics
6. Pacers
7. Bucks
8. Heat
9. 76ers
10. Bullets
11. Pistons
12. Hawks

Western Conference
1. Jazz
2. Warriors
3. Grizzlies
4. Spurs
5. Trailblazers
6. Suns
7. Thunder
8. Nuggets
9. Lakers
10. Kings
11. Mavericks

So here's my ballot for those that are curious. I'm in Vegas, on my phone - saw Maggette and Azubuike last night - so sorry I can't expound at length.

This ballot rocks.

[Roy H.]

Western Conference

10. Kings
11. Mavericks

So here's my ballot for those that are curious. I'm in Vegas, on my phone - saw Maggette and Azubuike last night - so sorry I can't expound at length.

Speechless!!!!

... along with:

9. 76ers
10. Bullets

Unless injuries are being assigned randomly, I have a hard team seeing any, let alone all, of those teams missing the playoffs.

[nickagneta]

Eastern Conference
1. Knicks
2. Nets
3. Bulls
4. Magic
5. Celtics
6. Pacers
7. Bucks
8. Heat
9. 76ers
10. Bullets
11. Pistons
12. Hawks

Western Conference
1. Jazz
2. Warriors
3. Grizzlies
4. Spurs
5. Trailblazers
6. Suns
7. Thunder
8. Nuggets
9. Lakers
10. Kings
11. Mavericks

So here's my ballot for those that are curious. I'm in Vegas, on my phone - saw Maggette and Azubuike last night - so sorry I can't expound at length.

I would love to hear the justification for the Kings being basically 11th in the 12 team Western Conference. I find it difficult to believe that anyone could think that a LeBron led team would not only not make the playoffs but be one of the worst teams in the league.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion I would just like to hear the logic behind it given that a LeBron led team hasn't been below .500 since he was 19 years old and surrounded by absolutely awful players.

[mgent]

Looks like Joe Johnson, Nene, Lamarcus Aldridge, Dwight Howard, LeBron James, Chauncey Billups, Josh Smith, Kenyon Martin and Dwyane Wade are all missing the playoffs for the first time in a while.