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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1080 on: July 24, 2011, 05:56:40 PM »

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Question: does anyone think that any team (aside from my own, which is infinitly better) has the tools to beat the kings in a 7 game series?

I think the Kings are probably the best team on paper.  However, I think that depending on matchups, any of the following teams could challenge them:

Knicks
76ers
Pacers
Bullets
Blazers
Jazz
Warriors
Nuggets

It's all going to come down to matchups and strategies. 


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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1081 on: July 24, 2011, 06:00:36 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1082 on: July 24, 2011, 06:02:54 PM »

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1083 on: July 24, 2011, 06:09:51 PM »

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You like orl over was? I thnk Washington is the stronger team.

Agreed, if only because I'm very skeptical of any team that relies heavily upon Javale McGee and Michael Beasley up front.  I like the wings / backcourt, but the bigs are a weakness in my mind.

Orlando has the best player. Chris Paul versus second banana Lamarcus Aldridge. That was all the argument that was needed to knock out my Charlotte squad that ran up against Dwight Howard last summer. But then also Jason Richardson and Brandon Roy is the best two guard rotation in the league. With Roy dominating, what, one game in four?

Beasley is the teams' seventh man. How many seventh men swing a series? Who is Washington's?

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1084 on: July 24, 2011, 06:13:00 PM »

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Big mistake trading Rondo for Monta

It's for Monta and Rashard basically. I can live with it. I think it's better having Monta and Rashard than just having Rondo. It gives me a better chance, not that I have a lot to start with.
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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1085 on: July 24, 2011, 06:15:31 PM »

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I'll do my best, while trying to be constructive:

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2011 CB Draft's Atlanta Army Ants.

Coach: Tim Cone

PG - Fisher, Derek
SG - Ellis, Monta
SF - Jefferson, Richard
PF - Lewis, Rashard
C  - Cousins, DeMarcus

Andray  Blatche, Mario Chalmers, Terrence Williams, Kelenna Azubuike, Antonio McDyess, Andris Biedrins, Troy Murphy, Sasha Vujacic (the machine)

What I like:

1.  The sheer talent of your future front court.  DeMarcus Cousins and Andray Blatche are tremendously talented individuals, and if they play to their potential, with complement one another well.

2.  Offensively, the pair of Ellis and Fisher.  Monta Ellis is a tough guy to play beside.  You can't use a ball-dominant point guard, because Monta needs the ball in his hands.  You also can't have a selfish guy; you need somebody who is willing to defer to Ellis.  Offensively, the ideal guy would probably be Jameer Nelson, but Fisher is close to ideal.  He's a leader on the court and can hit big buckets, but he's also willing to give up the ball to his high-usage SG.

3.  Rashard Lewis and Richard Jefferson.  They were on my team last year, so I have to like them. ;)  In secondary roles, though, I think both are very good role players who work very well in an offense.

What I don't like:

1.  Your defense.  Fisher is a very poor defender, and a front court of Rashard Lewis and DeMarcus Cousins is going to have a hard time defending the rim. 

2.  Your front court's maturity.  Cousins and Blatche have a lot of growing up to do.

3.  The reliance on Ellis.  Your team is going to live and die with Monta.  Some nights, he'll be brilliants, but on others, he's going to let you down.  I'd love to see a really strong second option, which you don't have.

Overall, I think you became a bit too trade-happy.  Ellis is your best player, but realistically he's a late first to second round player.  Everyone else, in terms of a total package, is more of a mid-round guy.  In other words, your team looks like a 2nd rounder and a bunch of 3rd, 4th, and 5th round guys.  In this draft, that will unfortunately sink you into the lottery.

Next year, I'd recommend trying more modest trades, and trying to draft around some sort of team blueprint you have in mind.  The most successful squads will be the ones that look like a cohesive team, and the Ants lack that a bit right now.

Still, being a rookie is hard, especially since most of these guys have been playing since 2007.  Good job, and hopefully we see you back next year.


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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1086 on: July 24, 2011, 06:19:21 PM »

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Battler, west, and Kanter is a nice little combo off the bench. Roy is the best off the bench, but Washington is substantially deeper in rotation capable capable players.

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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1087 on: July 24, 2011, 06:21:41 PM »

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Question: does anyone think that any team (aside from my own, which is infinitly better) has the tools to beat the kings in a 7 game series?


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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1088 on: July 24, 2011, 06:22:23 PM »

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Big mistake trading Rondo for Monta

It's for Monta and Rashard basically. I can live with it. I think it's better having Monta and Rashard than just having Rondo. It gives me a better chance, not that I have a lot to start with.

The Rashard Lewis of Orlando's 2008-09 title run? I could get on board with that. But the Lewis of the last two seasons has been as much a liability as an asset.

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1089 on: July 24, 2011, 06:22:39 PM »

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You like orl over was? I thnk Washington is the stronger team.

Agreed, if only because I'm very skeptical of any team that relies heavily upon Javale McGee and Michael Beasley up front.  I like the wings / backcourt, but the bigs are a weakness in my mind.

Orlando has the best player. Chris Paul versus second banana Lamarcus Aldridge. That was all the argument that was needed to out my Charlotte squad that ran up against Dwight Howard last summer. But then also Jason Richardson/Brandon Roy is the best two guard rotation in the league. With Roy dominating, what, one game in four?

Beasley is the teams' seventh man. How many seventh men swing a series? Who's Washington's?


Roy is done.  It is sad, but it is the truth.  Richardson is slowing down.  He is no longer a fringe all-star. He is a 13-15 point scorer on a good team.  


The last time Beasley was in a series, he got benched because he choked and was then given away for cap space.  But he can hang stats on a T-Wolves before getting busted again.  

Paul is the best player in the division.  But he is also the player most likely to ask for a trade since this team is not as strong as his NO team.  

The Bullets are built around two all star players that lead their teams the playoffs surrounded by strong role players that come from playoff teams (this season or last)  


Aldridge stepped up as the best player on his team and led them to 49 wins after Roy leg finally gave out and Odom was injured, again.

Granger has an off year of 20 and 5 on a playoff team.  

Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1090 on: July 24, 2011, 06:23:37 PM »

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Question: does anyone think that any team (aside from my own, which is infinitly better) has the tools to beat the kings in a 7 game series?


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« Reply #1091 on: July 24, 2011, 06:24:41 PM »

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Question: does anyone think that any team (aside from my own, which is infinitly better) has the tools to beat the kings in a 7 game series?
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« Reply #1092 on: July 24, 2011, 06:25:45 PM »

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You like orl over was? I thnk Washington is the stronger team.

Agreed, if only because I'm very skeptical of any team that relies heavily upon Javale McGee and Michael Beasley up front.  I like the wings / backcourt, but the bigs are a weakness in my mind.

Orlando has the best player. Chris Paul versus second banana Lamarcus Aldridge. That was all the argument that was needed to knock out my Charlotte squad that ran up against Dwight Howard last summer. But then also Jason Richardson and Brandon Roy is the best two guard rotation in the league. With Roy dominating, what, one game in four?

Beasley is the teams' seventh man. How many seventh men swing a series? Who is Washington's?

I'm not sure that the "whoever has the best player wins" is the only argument that a GM needs to make.  Your team lost last year because people didn't like that you relied so heavily on DeMarcus Cousins and they didn't like the overall fit of your team. 

I think people can make a similar argument when looking at Washington.  I'm still a believer that bigs win in this league, and a front court rotation of McGee / Bass / Beasley is very weak.  (It doesn't help Orlando that Beasley is a 7th man, when Bass is ahead of him.)

Also, I think a lot of people are going to be down on Maggette.  I'm not necessarily one of those people -- I think Maggette is a very valuable offensive player when he's assigned a clear role -- but his mediocre defense and at times selfish manner is going to rub a lot of voters the wrong way, I think.

Orlando is a lineup with only one very good defender, in Paul.  McGee is the Sean Williams of the NBA, going for blocked shots rather than playing fundamental defense.  Pairing him with a mediocre defender in Bass -- or a poor defender in Beasley -- isn't a recipe for success. 

Orlando should make the playoffs, but I simply don't think they're as good as the Bullets.  The Gortat / Aldridge front court is hands-down better, and Granger is significantly better than Maggette.  I think that front court advantage is bigger than the one enjoyed by the Magic by Paul/Richardson/Roy over Felton/Fields/West in the back court.


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Re: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings
« Reply #1093 on: July 24, 2011, 06:26:24 PM »

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Question: does anyone think that any team (aside from my own, which is infinitly better) has the tools to beat the kings in a 7 game series?

I think the Kings are probably the best team on paper.  However, I think that depending on matchups, any of the following teams could challenge them:

Knicks
76ers
Pacers
Bullets
Blazers
Jazz
Warriors
Nuggets

It's all going to come down to matchups and strategies. 

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« Reply #1094 on: July 24, 2011, 06:30:31 PM »

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Battler, west, and Kanter is a nice little combo off the bench. Roy is the best off the bench, but Washington is substantially deeper in rotation capable capable players.

PG Raymond Felton/ Goran Dragic
SG Landry Fields/ Delonte West/ Avery Bradley
SF Danny Granger/ Shane Battier/ Peja Stojakovic
PF Lamarcus Aldridge/ Ryan Anderson
C Marcin Gortat/ Enes Kanter/ Jason Smith

Orlando's bench at center and power forward brings more rotation capable players off the bench (birdman, Wilcox, Beasley) plus barnes and dunleavy (+webster) is on par or better then battier/Peja
The Nets will finish with the worst record and the Celtics will end up with the 4th pick.

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