2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

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PG: Kyle Lowry(34)/ Sessions(14)
SG: James Harden(32)/ Morrow(10)/Sessions(6)
SF: Carlos Delfino(25)/Derrick Williams(13)/Jerebko(10)
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire(24)/Derrick Williams(15)/Splitter(9)
C: Andrew Bogut(32)/Amar'e(10)/Tiago Splitter(6)
Deep bench: Tolliver, Childress, Patty Mills

I would really like some feed back here.

1) If Lowry is nearly as good as you think he is, he shouldn't be limited to 34 minutes.  More like 36-37, which he handled after the all-star game in Houston;

2) I don't like the Lowry / Sessions back court all that much.  I'd rather roll with Harden and Morrow as my sole backups at the 2.  I think Morrow's shooting will bring you a lot more there than Sessions' ball-handling will;

3) I know you're impressed with your Jerebko pick, but there's no need to give him 10 minutes per game.  Again, Delfino and Williams can hold down the vast majority of minutes at the 3, I think;

4) Bogut can handle more than 32 minutes, and Amare can handle more than 34.

I think you're playing your starters too few minutes.  I can see wanting to give guys rest at times, but overall your team is very young, and mostly healthy outside of Bogut.  There's no need to baby them.

Thanks Roy, I've had a lot of those same thoughts myself.

I don't think I'm going to increase Bogut/Amare's minutes, because in part, I know that's the #1 knock on my team..that they won't make the entire season. 32 minutes per game would Bogut's lowest average since his rookie year, and regular criticism has been gaining steam that D'Antoni rode Amar'e too hard during the regular season, which led to his body breaking down towards the end of the year. I think 34 minutes. Also, in 07-08, arguably Amar'e best year from an efficiency standpoint, he averaged 34 minutes, and played a significant amount of the season next to a big huge honkin center that averaged around 30 MPG.

I'm hoping that taking the burden of playing most of the game at the center spot along with cutting down his minutes will preserve his body, just as I hope cutting Bogut's minutes a little will have a lessening effect on his own wear and tear.

Lowry though, you have a pretty good point. I bumped up Session' minutes because he seems to play more efficiently when asked to play 20 minutes or more. I figured he was just too good of a talent to waste there. But, if Lowry is really the 18+pt, 7+assist guy I'm portraying him to be, that's a heck of a lot better than anything Sessions is going to bring me in those 3 minutes.

But Sessions is a real player. The way I was going to use him at the 2 guard was next to Patty Mills or Lowry, and as a point the Morrow/Sessions backcourt would almost be mandatory. He's really good at getting to the rack from the pick and roll (better than Lowry), and he's also really good at finding the open man. Morrow hanging out around the 3pt line seems like a natural fit in a Sessions-led lineup.

Maybe something like:

Sessions/Morrow/Williams/Stoudemire/Tolliver

Surround him with 2 capable shooters on the wing (Tolliver/Morrow), and run P&R's through Stoudemire and Williams.

Maybe I'm over-thinking it.

Jerebko I just really liked, and I liked his energy and attitude, and I just wanted to find a way to work his toughness into my lineup. You're probably right though, and I should give most of those minutes back to Delfino.

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PG: Kyle Lowry(34)/ Sessions(14)
SG: James Harden(32)/ Morrow(10)/Sessions(6)
SF: Carlos Delfino(25)/Derrick Williams(13)/Jerebko(10)
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire(24)/Derrick Williams(15)/Splitter(9)
C: Andrew Bogut(32)/Amar'e(10)/Tiago Splitter(6)
Deep bench: Tolliver, Childress, Patty Mills

I would really like some feed back here.

And you! We're not even in the same conference! You gotta gimme something to work with.

[KCattheStripe]

PG: Kyle Lowry(34)/ Sessions(14)
SG: James Harden(32)/ Morrow(10)/Sessions(6)
SF: Carlos Delfino(25)/Derrick Williams(13)/Jerebko(10)
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire(24)/Derrick Williams(15)/Splitter(9)
C: Andrew Bogut(32)/Amar'e(10)/Tiago Splitter(6)
Deep bench: Tolliver, Childress, Patty Mills

I would really like some feed back here.

And you! We're not even in the same conference! You gotta gimme something to work with.

I agree with Roy that you should limit  Sessions minutes, maybe even to the point of running Harden and Morrow while giving Lowry his rest and having Harden make decisions out of the Pick and Roll. I disagree with Roy that you should Limit Jerbeko's minutes. Before his injury he was a very good role player and is a nice safety valve to have in case Williams isn't quite ready for prime time. I also think you should use Splitter as your primary back up 5 and use Amar'e Primarily at the 4. 24 minutes at his best position is not enough.

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PG: Kyle Lowry(34)/ Sessions(14)
SG: James Harden(32)/ Morrow(10)/Sessions(6)
SF: Carlos Delfino(25)/Derrick Williams(13)/Jerebko(10)
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire(24)/Derrick Williams(15)/Splitter(9)
C: Andrew Bogut(32)/Amar'e(10)/Tiago Splitter(6)
Deep bench: Tolliver, Childress, Patty Mills

I would really like some feed back here.

And you! We're not even in the same conference! You gotta gimme something to work with.

I agree with Roy that you should limit  Sessions minutes, maybe even to the point of running Harden and Morrow while giving Lowry his rest and having Harden make decisions out of the Pick and Roll. I disagree with Roy that you should Limit Jerbeko's minutes. Before his injury he was a very good role player and is a nice safety valve to have in case Williams isn't quite ready for prime time. I also think you should use Splitter as your primary back up 5 and use Amar'e Primarily at the 4. 24 minutes at his best position is not enough.

See that's it..I really WANT to play Jerebko. For all his offensive woes (basically his iffy jumper), he's a plus defender, he's a hustle monster, and giving a guy like that 10 minutes is never a bad move, especially if you're not already giving a guy like that minutes, which I'm not. Sigh...decisions decisions.

[KCattheStripe]

PG: Kyle Lowry(34)/ Sessions(14)
SG: James Harden(32)/ Morrow(10)/Sessions(6)
SF: Carlos Delfino(25)/Derrick Williams(13)/Jerebko(10)
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire(24)/Derrick Williams(15)/Splitter(9)
C: Andrew Bogut(32)/Amar'e(10)/Tiago Splitter(6)
Deep bench: Tolliver, Childress, Patty Mills

I would really like some feed back here.

And you! We're not even in the same conference! You gotta gimme something to work with.

I agree with Roy that you should limit  Sessions minutes, maybe even to the point of running Harden and Morrow while giving Lowry his rest and having Harden make decisions out of the Pick and Roll. I disagree with Roy that you should Limit Jerbeko's minutes. Before his injury he was a very good role player and is a nice safety valve to have in case Williams isn't quite ready for prime time. I also think you should use Splitter as your primary back up 5 and use Amar'e Primarily at the 4. 24 minutes at his best position is not enough.

See that's it..I really WANT to play Jerebko. For all his offensive woes (basically his iffy jumper), he's a plus defender, he's a hustle monster, and giving a guy like that 10 minutes is never a bad move, especially if you're not already giving a guy like that minutes, which I'm not. Sigh...decisions decisions.

I like me some Jerbeko, if I hadn't made a stupid trade, I was taking him and not Montejunas.

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PG: Kyle Lowry(34)/ Sessions(14)
SG: James Harden(32)/ Morrow(10)/Sessions(6)
SF: Carlos Delfino(25)/Derrick Williams(13)/Jerebko(10)
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire(24)/Derrick Williams(15)/Splitter(9)
C: Andrew Bogut(32)/Amar'e(10)/Tiago Splitter(6)
Deep bench: Tolliver, Childress, Patty Mills

I would really like some feed back here.

And you! We're not even in the same conference! You gotta gimme something to work with.

I agree with Roy that you should limit  Sessions minutes, maybe even to the point of running Harden and Morrow while giving Lowry his rest and having Harden make decisions out of the Pick and Roll. I disagree with Roy that you should Limit Jerbeko's minutes. Before his injury he was a very good role player and is a nice safety valve to have in case Williams isn't quite ready for prime time. I also think you should use Splitter as your primary back up 5 and use Amar'e Primarily at the 4. 24 minutes at his best position is not enough.

See that's it..I really WANT to play Jerebko. For all his offensive woes (basically his iffy jumper), he's a plus defender, he's a hustle monster, and giving a guy like that 10 minutes is never a bad move, especially if you're not already giving a guy like that minutes, which I'm not. Sigh...decisions decisions.

I like me some Jerbeko, if I hadn't made a stupid trade, I was taking him and not Montejunas.

Did you see this: http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=49269.msg1041957#msg1041957

[TheTruthFot18]

Orlando Magic

pg: Chris Paul (34), Jarret Jack (14)
sg: Jason Richardson (28), Brandon Roy (16), Maretll Webster (4)
sf: Corey Maggette (28), Matt Barnes (16), Dunleavy/ Webster (4)
pf: Brandon Bass (20), Michael Beasley (28)
c: JaVale McGee (25), Chris Anderson (15), Chris Wilcox (

The starting line up is a good mix of defense (CP3, Bass, and JRich) while sticking in some high flying athletes (McGee, Maggette) to score and run with CP3 on breaks. If we want more defense in a game, we can go CP3/Roy/barnes/Bass/Anderson for a few minutes at a time or late game situations.

Having Bass start allows Beasley to come off the bench as a high scoring 6th man to pair with Maggette if we need some quick points. The only problem for the minutes we have a Maggette/Beasley/McGee lineup (which would only be together 15-20 minutes a game) is a real lack of defense. However that short rotation will be off set by the scoring they provide while on the floor with CP3 or Jack who can get them their shots. They will only be together for that 15-20 min. a game since the need for defense will allow us to insert Birdman and barnes at C and SF.

While the Magic lack a solid team defense, we have enough players to contribute on D in each rotation and I think a leader like Paul can help infuse some defense in this team (particularly on McGee as a young guy). But this Magic team with a lineup of Paul/Jack, Roy/JRich, Maggette, Beasley, and McGee/Wilcox will be extremely fun to watch in transition.

In short...

Pros: CP3. Best PG in the league who can set up the rest of the team with the shots they want. Good spacing with starters and bench. Won't have much trouble on offense. Transition and fast breaks. Steals and blocks. One of the best back courts in the league

Cons: Lack of real toughness in the front court (more so the 4/5 spots). Problems with Maggette and Beasley together both demanding the ball. Lacking a defensive starter at center who can play a lot of minutes. Birdman for 15 min. a game vs. Dwight Howard will be a problem.

My first real assessment of the entire team. Feel free to praise or critique. I'm pretty set on how I will play this team but any input will be appreciated and TP's will be handed out.

PS- dont forget to leave some foodies for SVG, otherwise he gets angry!

[Roy H.]

See that's it..I really WANT to play Jerebko. For all his offensive woes (basically his iffy jumper), he's a plus defender, he's a hustle monster, and giving a guy like that 10 minutes is never a bad move, especially if you're not already giving a guy like that minutes, which I'm not. Sigh...decisions decisions.

It's a bad move if you're taking minutes away from a better player.  You have Delfino and Williams ahead of him.  Are you comfortable limiting their minutes to give 10 to a binkie?

[KCattheStripe]

See that's it..I really WANT to play Jerebko. For all his offensive woes (basically his iffy jumper), he's a plus defender, he's a hustle monster, and giving a guy like that 10 minutes is never a bad move, especially if you're not already giving a guy like that minutes, which I'm not. Sigh...decisions decisions.

It's a bad move if you're taking minutes away from a better player.  You have Delfino and Williams ahead of him.  Are you comfortable limiting their minutes to give 10 to a binkie?

Are you positive that Williams is going to be a better player at the 3 than Jerbeko right from the jump?

[Roy H.]

See that's it..I really WANT to play Jerebko. For all his offensive woes (basically his iffy jumper), he's a plus defender, he's a hustle monster, and giving a guy like that 10 minutes is never a bad move, especially if you're not already giving a guy like that minutes, which I'm not. Sigh...decisions decisions.

It's a bad move if you're taking minutes away from a better player.  You have Delfino and Williams ahead of him.  Are you comfortable limiting their minutes to give 10 to a binkie?

Are you positive that Williams is going to be a better player at the 3 than Jerbeko right from the jump?

I don't think any of us can be positive of anything in this game.

However, you have to look at talent, and Williams has much, much more than Jerebko.  He can do anything that JJ can do, and he can do a lot more, as well.  There's no reason to take minutes away from the #1 pick in the draft for this year's version of Ersan Ilyasova (except not as good).  Plus, JJ has his own question marks, recovering from major injury.

I think Williams will have some rookie growing pains.  Is the answer, though, to limit his minutes, to force-feed minutes to a mediocre role player?  If I wanted Williams ready for a big role in the playoffs, I'd be much more inclined to play him heavy minutes in the regular season.  Let him make mistakes early, so that he's not as likely to make them later on.

That's not to say that Jerebko, Tolliver, etc., won't see any minutes at all.  During a long season, every player is asked to contribute from time to time.  However, overall, the best players should play, and there's no reason to limit the minutes of better players just because you like the way a guy of lesser talent plays the game.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

How about the new Ants.

D-Fish / Chalmers
Monta / T - Will / Machine Vujacic
RJ.      / Rashard / Kelenna Azubuike
Rashard / Dray the Cancer / Troy Murphy
DMC / Biedrins / Troy

[The Walker Wiggle]

Orlando Magic

pg: Chris Paul (34), Jarret Jack (14)
sg: Jason Richardson (28), Brandon Roy (16), Maretll Webster (4)
sf: Corey Maggette (28), Matt Barnes (16), Dunleavy/ Webster (4)
pf: Brandon Bass (20), Michael Beasley (28)
c: JaVale McGee (25), Chris Anderson (15), Chris Wilcox (

The starting line up is a good mix of defense (CP3, Bass, and JRich) while sticking in some high flying athletes (McGee, Maggette) to score and run with CP3 on breaks. If we want more defense in a game, we can go CP3/Roy/barnes/Bass/Anderson for a few minutes at a time or late game situations.

Having Bass start allows Beasley to come off the bench as a high scoring 6th man to pair with Maggette if we need some quick points. The only problem for the minutes we have a Maggette/Beasley/McGee lineup (which would only be together 15-20 minutes a game) is a real lack of defense. However that short rotation will be off set by the scoring they provide while on the floor with CP3 or Jack who can get them their shots. They will only be together for that 15-20 min. a game since the need for defense will allow us to insert Birdman and barnes at C and SF.

While the Magic lack a solid team defense, we have enough players to contribute on D in each rotation and I think a leader like Paul can help infuse some defense in this team (particularly on McGee as a young guy). But this Magic team with a lineup of Paul/Jack, Roy/JRich, Maggette, Beasley, and McGee/Wilcox will be extremely fun to watch in transition.

In short...

Pros: CP3. Best PG in the league who can set up the rest of the team with the shots they want. Good spacing with starters and bench. Won't have much trouble on offense. Transition and fast breaks. Steals and blocks. One of the best back courts in the league

Cons: Lack of real toughness in the front court (more so the 4/5 spots). Problems with Maggette and Beasley together both demanding the ball. Lacking a defensive starter at center who can play a lot of minutes. Birdman for 15 min. a game vs. Dwight Howard will be a problem.

The Magic are the team to beat in the Southeast despite a mediocre power forward rotation. Roy is recast as the league's best sixth man. Beasley and McGee should approximate a higher scoring lower basketball IQ 2007-2008 David West and Tyson Chandler.

The team's size and scoring balance from the wings are going to give other teams fits.

The Jennings trade was a mistake, but Jack should be successful as an off the ball point guard in the second unit with Brandon.

I do have to point out that this is another front court that Griffin and Garnett are going to eat alive. The two have only faced off once, but Brandon Bass isn't looking forward to Round 2. Blake put of 27 points 16 rebounds and 5 assist on him. And while McGee is going to out leap Garnett for a handful of offensive rebounds and alley oop dunks, he lacks the strength or discipline to be an honest match up problem. While KG is going to hurt the Magic with his shooting and passing whenever Epic Vale is out of position.

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You like orl over was? I thnk Washington is the stronger team.

[Roy H.]

You like orl over was? I thnk Washington is the stronger team.

Agreed, if only because I'm very skeptical of any team that relies heavily upon Javale McGee and Michael Beasley up front.  I like the wings / backcourt, but the bigs are a weakness in my mind.

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Question: does anyone think that any team (aside from my own, which is infinitly better) has the tools to beat the kings in a 7 game series?