Trade ideas: Rondo should be untouchable

[mgent]

Haha. See if you can dig up Rondo's triple double vs the Cavs last year. That was must watch as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyvno0_rjc

Now the one vs the Knicks where he had 24 dimes  .  Let's see CP3 pull that off.

[MBz]

Haha. See if you can dig up Rondo's triple double vs the Cavs last year. That was must watch as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyvno0_rjc

Now the one vs the Knicks where he had 24 dimes  .  Let's see CP3 pull that off.

The Knicks game where he had 10 pts, 24 assists, 10 rebounds and 7 turnovers?

I'll take Chris Paul's performance from the 09-10.  30 points, 19 assists, 9 rebounds and 4 turnovers.  We also have a performance from 2007, where he had 33 pts, 12 assists and 9 rebounds with only 2 turnovers.  If Paul is healthy he's better than Rondo.  Plain and simple, there shouldn't even be a discussion in regards to his talent.  The only discussion should be about Paul's health.

[StartOrien]

For anyone interested, here's the 24 assist game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWvZlnhae3k

Suggested subtitled to the mix: What are you DOING, Amare Stoudemire?

[BballTim]

If we're turning injuries off, and Chris Paul plays exactly how he played this past offseason there isn't a chance that Rondo approaches his overall game. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

  It's a five game stretch in which CP3 put up numbers that were close to identical to what Rondo put up against the Cavs last year.

  Not now. Not later. Not ever. Or, already been done...

Just saying that shows complete ignorance to everything besides the box score.

  Honestly, your comment shows complete ignorance to everything *including* the box score, so you've one-upped me.

[StartOrien]

If we're turning injuries off, and Chris Paul plays exactly how he played this past offseason there isn't a chance that Rondo approaches his overall game. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

  It's a five game stretch in which CP3 put up numbers that were close to identical to what Rondo put up against the Cavs last year.

  Not now. Not later. Not ever. Or, already been done...

Just saying that shows complete ignorance to everything besides the box score.

  Honestly, your comment shows complete ignorance to everything *including* the box score, so you've one-upped me.

To recap what you're saying:

We're talking about 2 different incredible series by two top notch point guards.

With 3 no-question-about-it-point-hall of famers, Rajon Rondo against the Cavs (whose defense was a lot worse than their numbers showed) NEARLY replicated what Chris Paul was able to do against the Lakers alongside a handful of players who MIGHT belong in an NBA rotation.

You're a Rondo super fan, and it's jading your outlook to assess other point guards.

[BballTim]

If we're turning injuries off, and Chris Paul plays exactly how he played this past offseason there isn't a chance that Rondo approaches his overall game. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

  It's a five game stretch in which CP3 put up numbers that were close to identical to what Rondo put up against the Cavs last year.

  Not now. Not later. Not ever. Or, already been done...

Just saying that shows complete ignorance to everything besides the box score.

  Honestly, your comment shows complete ignorance to everything *including* the box score, so you've one-upped me.

To recap what you're saying:

We're talking about 2 different incredible series by two top notch point guards.

With 3 no-question-about-it-point-point guards, Rajon Rondo against the Cavs (whose defense was a lot worse than their numbers showed) NEARLY replicated what Chris Paul was able to do against the Lakers alongside a handful of players who MIGHT belong in an NBA rotation.

You're a Rondo super fan, and it's jading your outlook to assess other point guards.

  Haha. Funny how that Cavs defense looked fine until they ran into Rondo. The Cavs were playing great ball, unlike those Lakers who limped into the playoffs and got swept in the next round. And you missed one major difference between the two, the Lakers managed to slow down CP3 and win, the Cavs were unable to control Rondo and lost.

  Hint: calling someone a Rondo super fan doesn't really build a case in your favor, but I understand it was all you had left. Saying Rondo could never do what CP3 did vs the Lakers is roughly akin to saying PP could never be a Finals MVP.

[jc3celticsphan]

Haha. See if you can dig up Rondo's triple double vs the Cavs last year. That was must watch as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyvno0_rjc

Now the one vs the Knicks where he had 24 dimes  .  Let's see CP3 pull that off.

The Knicks game where he had 10 pts, 24 assists, 10 rebounds and 7 turnovers?

I'll take Chris Paul's performance from the 09-10.  30 points, 19 assists, 9 rebounds and 4 turnovers.  We also have a performance from 2007, where he had 33 pts, 12 assists and 9 rebounds with only 2 turnovers.  If Paul is healthy he's better than Rondo.  Plain and simple, there shouldn't even be a discussion in regards to his talent.  The only discussion should be about Paul's health.

just watched some cp3 highlghts and I couldn't stop yawning Zzz rondos highlights are better... how come everytime cp3 goes against rondo, rondo wins that match up

[jc3celticsphan]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

EXACTLY!!! i thought it would of sunk in by now i guess they already forgot the mavs won the title with an injured caron butler SMH

[wdleehi]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

EXACTLY!!! i thought it would of sunk in by now i guess they already forgot the mavs won the title with an injured caron butler SMH

Good thing they had that bargain role player Dirk

[Eja117]

Like it or not, his salary and proven production should make it to the point where this guy is someone you simply don't trade. Sure ... for the right price, I'd consider it; but his salary should be a consideration here guys.

I've seen so many terrible Rondo ideas, it makes me a little sick to my stomach. 

Rondo should be the last guy we are talking about. 

I am eja and I largely approve this message

[timepiece33]

If I saw transcendent players being mentioned in trades, I'd probably change my position a little bit.  How many trades with Rondo have included transcendant talents?

I've seen offers that include guys like Devin Harris and the #3 pick.  I'd say no to that every time.

While I'd like Paul, what incentive does he have to stay here long term with the aging big three.  Unless you blow it up now AND get another transcendent talent for someone on the Big Three, Paul probably waits.

[LilRip]

if CP3 comes here, and Dwight comes here, we are so legit. so, so, so legit!

and i think some people are underestimating what a simple and underrated thing like "spacing" can do for a team. Having CP3 here would improve the offense, that so often stalls, by leaps and bounds. there would be 4-5 legitimate shooters (depending who the Center is) at all times. Rondo's biggest assets are court vision and defense and grit. CP3 has those as well in spades. Maybe not the best wing defender in the league that Rondo arguably is but he can still create havoc on that end.

triple doubles aside, i think what should be also be taken into consideration is how good the teammates surrounding them are. CP3 has pretty average teammates and Rondo has HOF-current allstars as teammates. CP3 has one borderline all-star teammate (David West), and he was even injured! The Celtics are a much deeper, much more versatile, and just plain better team. whether we currently paid Rondo an extra 5m or not is irrelevant.

speaking of which, i honestly don't care much if Rondo's on a bargain. If we sign another max contract player (like Dwight or something), then i'm assuming whether Rondo is paid 11 or 12 or 15 mil, it ultimately wouldn't matter because we'd be over the cap anyway.

And isn't the issue about CP3's contract even moot because he will play next year on his contract (when we don't care about contract figures just yet) and then come 2012 when we would have to deal with the cap, he can sign a more cap-friendly extension so that we can sign another player (similar to what the Heat did)? I don't understand the point of "CP3 is not worth the 17mil for 2 years" argument.

as for health, we can make the same argument about Rondo. Rondo has sustained a number of injuries this offseason. Granted, none as serious as surgery, but i've read soooo many times on this board about how plantar fasciitis doesn't go away and things like that. and isn't Rondo out right now for 6-8 weeks with that broken arm? I think he'll bounce back. And i think CP3 will as well (if you consider 16/4/11 or whatever it is as poor production). it took old-man KG a year, and it took young-kid Amar'e a year to round back into form.

[greenpride32]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7 is still better then Rondo.

  People were talking about transcendent players, which is a somewhat higher threshold than putting up better stats than Rondo.

CP3's PER of 23.76 put him 6th in the league last year.  He was 3rd in PER 08-09 at 30.04.  I don't see that as a huge decline. 

[greenpride32]

Rondo's playoff stats are inflated because of the NYK series.  He did squat against MIA; even before the injury.

[greenpride32]

So guess who lead the league in PER for the 10-11 postseason?

1 Chris Paul, NO 6 41.7 .670 36.4 11.6 23.7 1.6 18.6 10.3 29.01 67.2 2.2

41 Rajon Rondo, BOS 9 38.3 .509 35.4 13.6 21.2 4.1 12.8 8.7 16.80 29.9 1.0

I don't necessarily believe PER means everything when evaluating players.  But when you've got a guy like CP3 who is consistently in the top 5-10 in PER (top 1-3 in his best years); I can't see how you compare a guy favorably to him that hasn't cracked the top 30 regular season (Rondo's highest finish was 17 in 08-09 playoffs).