Trade ideas: Rondo should be untouchable

[indeedproceed]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7 is still better then Rondo.

If he picks up his player option, you're gonna have to pay Paul 34 million dollars over the next two seasons.  You'll only have to pay Rondo 33 million over the next three.

I'd agree you don't hold onto Rondo just because he's a bargain, but the Chris Paul of this past regular and post-season is not worth that kind of money, especially given that more restrictive salary rules are almost a certainty.

Mike

Nobody won a title because their player was "a bargain"


Paul is worth that type of money.  

So, your crystal ball tells you that Paul will return to the level he was at 3 years ago?  'Cause if he doesn't, he ain't worth 17 million a year.

2010-2011 regular season stats

Paul - 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 stls
Rondo - 10.6 pts, 11.2 asts, 4.4 rebs. 2.2 stls

And if you leave out the last three games against Miami where Rondo was playing with one arm, post season stats are...

Paul - 22 pts, 11.5 asts. 6.7 rebs, 1.8 stls
Rondo, 18 pts, 10.1 asts, 8 rebs, 1.3 stls

The Paul we saw this past season AND post-season is not worth 17 million dollars a year.  Paying guys based on what they used to to instead of what they can do now is another way teams get into salary cap hell.

Mike

Those Rondo stats from the postseason are irrelevant in this situation. So are CP3's. Chris Paul is the better player. His longevity is the question, not his current level of play.

  How is his current level of play not the question when it's clearly well below his historical level of play?

'Clearly well below'? Disagree.

[indeedproceed]

Especially when you consider he's in his first year back from a season ending injury, with one of the worst supporting casts the Hornets have fielded in his tenure.

Chris Paul today is the superior player.

[BballTim]

So, your crystal ball tells you that Paul will return to the level he was at 3 years ago?  'Cause if he doesn't, he ain't worth 17 million a year.

2010-2011 regular season stats

Paul - 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 stls
Rondo - 10.6 pts, 11.2 asts, 4.4 rebs. 2.2 stls

And if you leave out the last three games against Miami where Rondo was playing with one arm, post season stats are...

Paul - 22 pts, 11.5 asts. 6.7 rebs, 1.8 stls
Rondo, 18 pts, 10.1 asts, 8 rebs, 1.3 stls

The Paul we saw this past season AND post-season is not worth 17 million dollars a year.  Paying guys based on what they used to to instead of what they can do now is another way teams get into salary cap hell.

Mike

Those Rondo stats from the postseason are irrelevant in this situation. So are CP3's. Chris Paul is the better player. His longevity is the question, not his current level of play.

  How is his current level of play not the question when it's clearly well below his historical level of play?

'Clearly well below'? Disagree.

  You don't see 23/6/11 and a PER of 30 as clearly better than 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7?

[BballTim]

Especially when you consider he's in his first year back from a season ending injury, with one of the worst supporting casts the Hornets have fielded in his tenure.

  That's the point though. There are questions about how much more he'll improve from his knee injury.

[No Nickname]

22 points on .545 fg%, .474 3p%, 11.5 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 1.3 steals against the Lakers in the playoffs completely irrelevant?
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Bingo.  With Garnett continuing to shrink into his shell even more, Pierce only exploding offensively 1-out-of-3 games, and Ray about the same, the Celts need OFFENSE from their point guard in addition to assists.

The fact that Paul could score 22, while ALSO dishing for 11.5 assists is crazy.  The Celts constantly got caught in late shot clock situations with only three options.  Paul alleviates that.  Rondo, if he had a team of four other running, athletic, high-flyers, would be perfect.  But for this aging group of C's they need more offense from their PG.

Plus, next year at this time, who is gonna attract more free agents?  Rondo or Paul.  A Dwight Howard might look at the C's with Paul.  He's not even thinking about it with Rondo as the centerpiece.

[indeedproceed]

Especially when you consider he's in his first year back from a season ending injury, with one of the worst supporting casts the Hornets have fielded in his tenure.

  That's the point though. There are questions about how much more he'll improve from his knee injury.

Well that was my point too. Chris Paul today is better than Rondo. Chris Paul in 2 or 3 years is a legitimate discussion.

[No Nickname]

  That's the point though. There are questions about how much more he'll improve from his knee injury.
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And that's the reason why we're even having this discussion.  New Orleans would never consider trading a fully-healthy Paul for Rondo.  But one who isn't 100%, they just might.

[StartOrien]

 That's the point though. There are questions about how much more he'll improve from his knee injury.

And that's the reason why we're even having this discussion.  New Orleans would never consider trading a fully-healthy Paul for Rondo.  But one who isn't 100%, they just might.

The Hornets are absolutely going to trade Chris Paul this season. They're not going to be able to resign him, and they've got some bad contracts they got to get rid of.

If we're turning injuries off, and Chris Paul plays exactly how he played this past offseason there isn't a chance that Rondo approaches his overall game. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

[StartOrien]

This is must watch stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWqdhAumXI

[BballTim]

Especially when you consider he's in his first year back from a season ending injury, with one of the worst supporting casts the Hornets have fielded in his tenure.

  That's the point though. There are questions about how much more he'll improve from his knee injury.

Well that was my point too. Chris Paul today is better than Rondo. Chris Paul in 2 or 3 years is a legitimate discussion.

  Chris Paul today is probably only a little better than Rondo was playing before the foot/hamstring injuries kicked in. It's probably a gain, but not the franchise changing one people here are claiming.

[StartOrien]

Especially when you consider he's in his first year back from a season ending injury, with one of the worst supporting casts the Hornets have fielded in his tenure.

  That's the point though. There are questions about how much more he'll improve from his knee injury.

Well that was my point too. Chris Paul today is better than Rondo. Chris Paul in 2 or 3 years is a legitimate discussion.

  Chris Paul today is probably only a little better than Rondo was playing before the foot/hamstring injuries kicked in. It's probably a gain, but not the franchise changing one people here are claiming.

No. It's not close. Chris Paul is considerably better.

[BballTim]

This is must watch stuff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xWqdhAumXI

  Haha. See if you can dig up Rondo's triple double vs the Cavs last year. That was must watch as well.

[BballTim]

If we're turning injuries off, and Chris Paul plays exactly how he played this past offseason there isn't a chance that Rondo approaches his overall game. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

  It's a five game stretch in which CP3 put up numbers that were close to identical to what Rondo put up against the Cavs last year.

  Not now. Not later. Not ever. Or, already been done...

[StartOrien]

If we're turning injuries off, and Chris Paul plays exactly how he played this past offseason there isn't a chance that Rondo approaches his overall game. Not now. Not later. Not ever.

  It's a five game stretch in which CP3 put up numbers that were close to identical to what Rondo put up against the Cavs last year.

  Not now. Not later. Not ever. Or, already been done...

Just saying that shows complete ignorance to everything besides the box score.

[StartOrien]

Haha. See if you can dig up Rondo's triple double vs the Cavs last year. That was must watch as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spyvno0_rjc