Trade ideas: Rondo should be untouchable

[timepiece33]

Like it or not, his salary and proven production should make it to the point where this guy is someone you simply don't trade. Sure ... for the right price, I'd consider it; but his salary should be a consideration here guys.

I've seen so many terrible Rondo ideas, it makes me a little sick to my stomach. 

Rondo should be the last guy we are talking about. 

[ballin]

Like it or not, his salary and proven production should make it to the point where this guy is someone you simply don't trade. Sure ... for the right price, I'd consider it; but his salary should be a consideration here guys.

I've seen so many terrible Rondo ideas, it makes me a little sick to my stomach. 

Rondo should be the last guy we are talking about. 

Championship teams usually aren't built around the "best bargains". If they were, then the Houston Rockets would have been champs the last 8 years.

Championship teams are built around transcendent players, like Paul Pierce, Dirk, Kobe, D-Wade, Tim Duncan, etc.

If we could trade Rondo for a true superstar I'd do it in a heartbeat (i.e., somebody like Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, or Dwight Howard)

[raynman]

Like it or not, his salary and proven production should make it to the point where this guy is someone you simply don't trade. Sure ... for the right price, I'd consider it; but his salary should be a consideration here guys.

I've seen so many terrible Rondo ideas, it makes me a little sick to my stomach. 

Rondo should be the last guy we are talking about. 

Championship teams usually aren't built around the "best bargains". If they were, then the Houston Rockets would have been champs the last 8 years.

Championship teams are built around transcendent players, like Paul Pierce, Dirk, Kobe, D-Wade, Tim Duncan, etc.

If we could trade Rondo for a true superstar I'd do it in a heartbeat (i.e., somebody like Blake Griffin, Chris Paul, or Dwight Howard)

Agree.. Even if Rajon's the most important player in our current roster, he'd never be a cornerstone type player, one you build your team around. We'd need to add a superstar or two to make us contenders again after the big three go..
I've been thinking Rondo + 1st rounder (our own, not the clippers') for CP3..  or ROndo + Green for CP3 and Ariza/Bellinelli..

[LilRip]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

[paulcowens]

I'm convinced that fantasy sports, in combination with the internet,  has changed sports fandom, in some ways for the worse.  Fans are amazingly knowledgable.  In depth knowledge of  players around the league is commonplace, and player-swapping is endlessly fun to talk about.  The bird in the bush always has brighter plumage, the grass is always greener and if only we had so and so, wouldn't it be great?

Trade fever is hot right now, and I suspect it's largely fed by frustration of the way we finished this year.  We really should have won a championship this year, or come close to one. People are looking for someone to blame, and it's always easiest to blame the players.  Big Baby and Rondo seem to be getting most of the blame.  In a way, that's understandable.  Both players are so inconsistent.  At Rondo's peak this year, he was an mvp candidate.  At Baby's peak, he was a leading candidate for the sixth man award.  But, at times, one wondered why they were getting any floor time at all. 

And we are entering a period of uncertainty.  People feel anxiety about that, which magnifies the uncertainties we feel about Rondo in particular.   Is Rondo a guy we can build the future around?  All the uncertainty magnifies Rondo's flaws.
But remember, part of the reason we constantly think about trading Rondo is that we know a lot of teams would jump at the chance.  That should tell us something.

[wdleehi]

No one is untouchable on this Celtics team. 



I like the stars, but none of them are top 5 players.  None are in the top 10 and young. 



Stars win.  And if the new CBA makes it harder to get stars to leave other teams, teams will have to give up more value to get them. 

[BballTim]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

[wdleehi]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

I will take the regular season Paul along with the playoff version we saw of him over Rondo. 


But I expect to see Paul play at the higher level he has shown to have in the past.

[Kenhov]

No he shouldnt.

For example,if DA could do a ROndo, Ray Allen, s&t Glenn Davis  to OKC for Westbrook and Harden, Id take it in a heartbeat.

Teams enter decline for reasons explained specifically by DA. That owners and management refuse to make cold hard decisions that benefit the franchise.

Rondo has a great contract and is a fantastic piece to build around another superstar. That makes him very tradeable. It doesnt necessarily make him the piece to start building with here.

The team is not just old, but its identity needs to be rebuilt. Westbrook is immature, but has more upside than Rondo. He can learn to play within team and pass the ball. In fact Westbrook can do Rondo. Rondo cant do Westbrook.

But the trades for Rondo are very few because you need an upgrade. Not a sideways move.

[BballTim]

No he shouldnt.

For example,if DA could do a ROndo, Ray Allen, s&t Glenn Davis  to OKC for Westbrook and Harden, Id take it in a heartbeat.

Teams enter decline for reasons explained specifically by DA. That owners and management refuse to make cold hard decisions that benefit the franchise.

Rondo has a great contract and is a fantastic piece to build around another superstar. That makes him very tradeable. It doesnt necessarily make him the piece to start building with here.

The team is not just old, but its identity needs to be rebuilt. Westbrook is immature, but has more upside than Rondo. He can learn to play within team and pass the ball. In fact Westbrook can do Rondo. Rondo cant do Westbrook.

But the trades for Rondo are very few because you need an upgrade. Not a sideways move.

  If Westbrook could do Rondo the Thunder would have won the title.

[MBz]

No he shouldnt.

For example,if DA could do a ROndo, Ray Allen, s&t Glenn Davis  to OKC for Westbrook and Harden, Id take it in a heartbeat.

Teams enter decline for reasons explained specifically by DA. That owners and management refuse to make cold hard decisions that benefit the franchise.

Rondo has a great contract and is a fantastic piece to build around another superstar. That makes him very tradeable. It doesnt necessarily make him the piece to start building with here.

The team is not just old, but its identity needs to be rebuilt. Westbrook is immature, but has more upside than Rondo. He can learn to play within team and pass the ball. In fact Westbrook can do Rondo. Rondo cant do Westbrook.

But the trades for Rondo are very few because you need an upgrade. Not a sideways move.

  If Westbrook could do Rondo the Thunder would have won the title.

Not a chance.  Say what you want about Westbrook, but OKC desperately needed his scoring.  Rondo can't provide that.  Other than Westbrook, the only guys they have that score are really Durant and Harden. 

Anyways, there's only a handful of players who should be untouchable and if you trade them then you better be getting one of those other untouchables back.  Rondo is not untouchable.  He's an all-star, but he's not a superstar in this league.  He's not a Kevin Durant, Blake Griffin, Dwyane Wade, LeBron James.  He's a top 5 point guard in the league, maybe top 3, but that's debatable.  Rajon Rondo simply doesn't have the ability to carry a winning basketball team.  He's one of those guys that is important to have, but if he's the best player on your team, you're in trouble.

[Kenhov]

No he shouldnt.

For example,if DA could do a ROndo, Ray Allen, s&t Glenn Davis  to OKC for Westbrook and Harden, Id take it in a heartbeat.

Teams enter decline for reasons explained specifically by DA. That owners and management refuse to make cold hard decisions that benefit the franchise.

Rondo has a great contract and is a fantastic piece to build around another superstar. That makes him very tradeable. It doesnt necessarily make him the piece to start building with here.

The team is not just old, but its identity needs to be rebuilt. Westbrook is immature, but has more upside than Rondo. He can learn to play within team and pass the ball. In fact Westbrook can do Rondo. Rondo cant do Westbrook.

But the trades for Rondo are very few because you need an upgrade. Not a sideways move.

  If Westbrook could do Rondo the Thunder would have won the title.

Thats at least the thinking you want to provoke in a competing GM, at least in the West.

Then you can get back Westbrook and Harden and craft a better future for the Celts. Now I dont know what their contracts are like so I maybe shooting Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.e but...

Now imagine this

Westbrook
Harden
Pierce
KG
Oneal

With two draft bigs like Tyler and Smith plus a MLE big like Dalembert on the bench, along with Bradley and Jeff Green, and if we can get back Delonte.

Dont you think this team has younger and better weapons ?

[Chief]

I agree with not trading Rondo. The window has closed on the Big Three and it's time to move on. Trading Ray makes the most sense. I know many want the Big Three to retire in green but I don't want to live through the 90's again. For those that lived through Todd Day and Eric Montross, I think you would agree.

[BballTim]

No he shouldnt.

For example,if DA could do a ROndo, Ray Allen, s&t Glenn Davis  to OKC for Westbrook and Harden, Id take it in a heartbeat.

Teams enter decline for reasons explained specifically by DA. That owners and management refuse to make cold hard decisions that benefit the franchise.

Rondo has a great contract and is a fantastic piece to build around another superstar. That makes him very tradeable. It doesnt necessarily make him the piece to start building with here.

The team is not just old, but its identity needs to be rebuilt. Westbrook is immature, but has more upside than Rondo. He can learn to play within team and pass the ball. In fact Westbrook can do Rondo. Rondo cant do Westbrook.

But the trades for Rondo are very few because you need an upgrade. Not a sideways move.

  If Westbrook could do Rondo the Thunder would have won the title.

Not a chance.  Say what you want about Westbrook, but OKC desperately needed his scoring.  Rondo can't provide that.  Other than Westbrook, the only guys they have that score are really Durant and Harden. 

  Absolutely they would have. Note I didn't say "replace Rondo with Westbrook and they'd have won the title" which is a different argument. But if Westbrook could in fact "do Rondo" then he'd still retain his scoring ability.

  Westbrook is probably in the argument for top 5 pg in the league although his reputation took a hit in the playoffs. Give Rondo Westbrook's size, leaping ability, free throw shooting and three point shooting and Rajon would be comfortably in the conversation for top 5 pgs of all time.

  People in this thread are talking about transcendent players. Rondo at this .point in time doesn't qualify because of his scoring. But his court vision, passing, BBIQ are transcendent skills. His defense is exceptional as well You can't teach what he does, and you can't expect players to develop those abilities. You might as well claim that Westbrook can learn to shoot threes like Nash.

[Moranis]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7 is still better then Rondo.