2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[KCattheStripe]

In addition to crunch-time lineups, could everyone identify their end of game closer?

(Sorry if this has been asked before.  I'm a day behind on this).

Hakeem, with Reggie Miller for last second shots. The last 2 minutes of a close game will be a lot of offense defense switches with the Reggies.

[Who]

One thing about the Indy team that worries me is that while there is no denying Wade's excellence as a player, he's no 3pt shooter, and neither is Barkley, and Marion's 31% is kind of paltry in this setting. Really the only big 3pt shooter in Indy's starting lineup is Nash.

While Thunder Dan will be a welcome sight off the bench, the skill disparity between the two is pretty wide. Wade just does more, and does it better.

They could play Majerle instead of Marion. Keep Wade on the court. Lose some defense and a fair bit of rebounding (Marion to Majerle) but gain a lot of shooting and some superior complementary scoring.

Not so much as a permanent lineup change but when they need or want to put some more shooting on the court.

[Rondo2287]

We all know that the game seems to slow down in crunch time.

Who thinks they have the best half-court set/lineup and why?

I think I have a pretty dominant end of game lineup.  

First of all.  I think one of the general weakenesses of teams is when they settle for jump shots down the stretch.  With Rose, Gervin, Baylor, there will be no team that has the perimiter defense to keep those guys out of the paint.  

::::::Kidd, Lewis, Pippen raise their hands::::::

Lewis and Pippen I could buy but I think Rose would still be able to take Kidd to the woodshed.  

Athletically there isnt a team in this league that can match up with

Rose
Gervin
Baylor
Amare
Shaq

[Who]

I don't like them in transition with Rodman out there though at the 3.

Why not? Rodman was a very good finisher in transition in his younger days. Ran the floor very hard, good quickness.

As I say that, I have no idea what year was selected for Rodman. I should look that up.

[StartOrien]

In addition to crunch-time lineups, could everyone identify their end of game closer?

(Sorry if this has been asked before.  I'm a day behind on this).

[indeedproceed]

We all know that the game seems to slow down in crunch time.

Who thinks they have the best half-court set/lineup and why?

I think I have a pretty dominant end of game lineup.  

First of all.  I think one of the general weakenesses of teams is when they settle for jump shots down the stretch.  With Rose, Gervin, Baylor, there will be no team that has the perimiter defense to keep those guys out of the paint.  And when a big man rotates over you can drop it down to Shaq or Amare for the finish at the rim.  Course if a big man rotates to Rose it just won't matter.

Also assuming we have the timeouts to use we will be able to bring Bowen, Chaney, and Silas off the bench for defensive possessions which will significantly limit a teams chances to close us out down the stretch

I think you've got a pretty good case. One thing you're not mentioning is that Baylor was apparently a very proficient shooter from the corner too (which i just learned). So, while Gervin and Rose aren't big threats, Baylor can help spread the floor, and Amare/Pettit can operate from the elbow comfortably.

Lewis and Pippen I could buy but I think Rose would still be able to take Kidd to the woodshed.

Eh, I think you just jumped on the hyperbole train.

Jason Kidd in his younger years was if not the best defensive pg in basketball, he was one of them. Rose can't use his strength on Kidd, because Kidd can match it, and Rose might have a half step on him, but that's all he's got on mid-late 20's Jason Kidd.

[Rondo2287]

In addition to crunch-time lineups, could everyone identify their end of game closer?

(Sorry if this has been asked before.  I'm a day behind on this).

Ive got two

[indeedproceed]

I don't like them in transition with Rodman out there though at the 3.

Why not? Rodman was a very good finisher in transition in his younger days. Ran the floor very hard, good quickness.

As I say that, I have no idea what year was selected for Rodman. I should look that up.

Because that's all Rodman is bringing to the table.

[Rondo2287]

We all know that the game seems to slow down in crunch time.

Who thinks they have the best half-court set/lineup and why?

I think I have a pretty dominant end of game lineup.  

First of all.  I think one of the general weakenesses of teams is when they settle for jump shots down the stretch.  With Rose, Gervin, Baylor, there will be no team that has the perimiter defense to keep those guys out of the paint.  And when a big man rotates over you can drop it down to Shaq or Amare for the finish at the rim.  Course if a big man rotates to Rose it just won't matter.

Also assuming we have the timeouts to use we will be able to bring Bowen, Chaney, and Silas off the bench for defensive possessions which will significantly limit a teams chances to close us out down the stretch

I think you've got a pretty good case. One thing you're not mentioning is that Baylor was apparently a very proficient shooter from the corner too (which i just learned). So, while Gervin and Rose aren't big threats, Baylor can help spread the floor, and Amare/Pettit can operate from the elbow comfortably.

Lewis and Pippen I could buy but I think Rose would still be able to take Kidd to the woodshed.

Eh, I think you just jumped on the hyperbole train.

Jason Kidd in his younger years was if not the best defensive pg in basketball, he was one of them. Rose can't use his strength on Kidd, because Kidd can match it, and Rose might have a half step on him, but that's all he's got on mid-late 20's Jason Kidd.

Haha I know I was just messing around about the woodshed.  I do think he has the quickness advantage as you mentioned though.  But one thing we know is that Great offense can still beat great defense.  And we got it.

[Who]

We all know that the game seems to slow down in crunch time.

Who thinks they have the best half-court set/lineup and why?

Philadelphia is going to be murder to defend against with Michael Jordan and Dirk Nowitzki.

Great two man game between those two guys. Capable of creating their own shots against just about every defender. And then they have Dominique Wilkins or Carmelo Anthony as a third option.

[Who]

I don't like them in transition with Rodman out there though at the 3.

Why not? Rodman was a very good finisher in transition in his younger days. Ran the floor very hard, good quickness.

As I say that, I have no idea what year was selected for Rodman. I should look that up.

Because that's all Rodman is bringing to the table.

What more do they need from in transition?

They have more than enough ball-handlers and setup men. Finishers are good too.

[StartOrien]

We all know that the game seems to slow down in crunch time.

Who thinks they have the best half-court set/lineup and why?

Philadelphia is going to be murder to defend against with Michael Jordan and Dirk Nowitzki.

Great two man game between those two guys. Capable of creating their own shots against just about every defender. And then they have Dominique Wilkins or Carmelo Anthony as a third option.

Ya, that was a bit of an oversight by me, absolutely the best half court team.

[indeedproceed]

We all know that the game seems to slow down in crunch time.

Who thinks they have the best half-court set/lineup and why?

Philadelphia is going to be murder to defend against with Michael Jordan and Dirk Nowitzki.

Great two man game between those two guys. Capable of creating their own shots against just about every defender. And then they have Dominique Wilkins or Carmelo Anthony as a third option.

Ya, that was a bit of an oversight by me, absolutely the best half court team.

Agreed. Dirk was to me maybe the second best 'complementary' piece taken in this draft, second to Pippen. Just makes Philly absolutely lethal.

[Who]

Bill Russell (35) / Alonzo Mourning (13)
Charles Barkley (35) / Alonzo Mourning (7) / Shawn Kemp (6)
Shawn Marion (35) / Glen Rice (9) / Andre Iguodala (4)
Dwyane Wade (22) / Dan Majerle (26)
Steve Nash (30) / Dwyane Wade (18)

Man, Kemp is just languishing. I guess you could give him all the minutes at the 4, and keep Russell and Morning on the bench, but they're probably better fitted players, esp if you want to put Marion at the 4 at all.

That's gonna leave Shawn Kemp with too much free time to make bad decisions.

I don't think there is any point in playing Shawn Marion at the four when you have Shawn Kemp on your team.

Kemp can provide enough of that quickness advantage without giving up size + interior defense.

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I think Kemp's glue guy appeal, defensive range and rebounding at the PF position is very under-rated in this fantasy game. It's a shame not to see him get more playing time somewhere else.

A S.Kemp + B.Russell duo defensively? Wow, that would be a sight to see.

[Who]

Lewis and Pippen I could buy but I think Rose would still be able to take Kidd to the woodshed.

Eh, I think you just jumped on the hyperbole train.

Jason Kidd in his younger years was if not the best defensive pg in basketball, he was one of them. Rose can't use his strength on Kidd, because Kidd can match it, and Rose might have a half step on him, but that's all he's got on mid-late 20's Jason Kidd.

Agreed -- Kidd is going to lock up D-Rose and throw away the key.

Jason Kidd was the lead defender on a Phoenix team that was second and third best in the league in defensive efficiency in + arguably the best defender on a NJ Nets team (K.Martin?) that led the league in defensive efficiency in back to back years and finished 4th the following year. That is Jason Kidd's five year resume as a defender. His defense as a big PG was beastly.

Gotta love big PGs with excellent quickness and top class defensive ability.

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On D-Rose, I think his limited floor general skills are a real negative in this fantasy game.