2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[Moranis]

Droids are sweet so I can pick. I wanted Dirk but since he is gone I will take one of his predecessors and open the inside with an excellent shooting big man and one time MVP.

PF - Bob Mcadoo

Love my droid and good pick

they really are nice. Surprised Bob was there with a lot of the picks made. 30 & 15 and an excellent shooter don't grow on trees. I think he really fits well with Moses and lebron as well.

[GreenFaith1819]

Nope...reg season and playoff FG% and 3pt%.

FG% isn't indicative of how great of a shooter he is though. Celtics sure have a player that fits the bill.

He was on fire from downtown in that 95/96 playoff though.

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

[StartOrien]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

[indeedproceed]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Shaq shot a 66% TS% this season.

EDIT: THe # that factors in 3pt% is eFG%, and that doesn't seem to mean much. True Shooting % is more about ability to get to the line.

[StartOrien]

I'm sure theres some kind of source out there that'd be indicative of how good of a shooter someone is/was from midrange but I don't know it.

I just recall Payton not being a great shooter.

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, he's more proof, at least for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNCgpYp7vLg&feature=related

To me, Gary Payton's shooting is definitely perfect for this team.

It's been a great game so far, Nick.

[indeedproceed]

I'm sure theres some kind of source out there that'd be indicative of how good of a shooter someone is/was from midrange but I don't know it.

I just recall Payton not being a great shooter.

hoopdata.com is the only one I know of, and that's relatively new. Basically if it ain't on the box score/can't be derived from the boxscore, I think you're outta luck.

[33-00-32]

I'm sure theres some kind of source out there that'd be indicative of how good of a shooter someone is/was from midrange but I don't know it.

I just recall Payton not being a great shooter.

I pretty much recall the same thing but he did end up with almost 22,000 points so he had to do something right.

[GreenFaith1819]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Well, out of the stats listed there, what else could we use to tell whether someone is a good shooter or not?

I just checked TS%, FG%, and 3%. I'll admit - GP is not as good a shooter as say - John Stockton - but the tradeoff is that GP is a better fit - for my team.

[Bahku]

Well, he's more proof, at least for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNCgpYp7vLg&feature=related

To me, Gary Payton's shooting is definitely perfect for this team.

It's been a great game so far, Nick.

I like the pick, GF ... in his prime, The Glove could light it up, and highly under-rated, IMHO. But I think that his lackluster performance in Boston, (when he was far past his prime), left a bad taste in some mouths. I think that may be the fallout your dealing with here, I dunno. But again, I like the pick ... stick to your guns!

[indeedproceed]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Well, out of the stats listed there, what else could we use to tell whether someone is a good shooter or not?

I just checked TS%, FG%, and 3%. I'll admit - GP is not as good a shooter as say - John Stockton - but the tradeoff is that GP is a better fit - for my team.

Well I think the original debate was spurned on when I was Payton was not a good outside shooter, which he wasn't. He might be a great fit for your team, he's a heck of a player. Bill Simmons called him 'possibly one of the best two-way guards of the 1990's', and 'the most dominant point guard of the 1990's'.

Great player, just not a great shooter.  

[GreenFaith1819]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Well, out of the stats listed there, what else could we use to tell whether someone is a good shooter or not?

I just checked TS%, FG%, and 3%. I'll admit - GP is not as good a shooter as say - John Stockton - but the tradeoff is that GP is a better fit - for my team.

Well I think the original debate was spurned on when I was Payton was not a good outside shooter, which he wasn't. He might be a great fit for your team, he's a heck of a player. Bill Simmons called him 'possibly one of the best two-way guards of the 1990's', and 'the most dominant point guard of the 1990's'.

Great player, just not a great shooter.  

I agree - Great player, but a good shooter.

[indeedproceed]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Well, out of the stats listed there, what else could we use to tell whether someone is a good shooter or not?

I just checked TS%, FG%, and 3%. I'll admit - GP is not as good a shooter as say - John Stockton - but the tradeoff is that GP is a better fit - for my team.

Well I think the original debate was spurned on when I was Payton was not a good outside shooter, which he wasn't. He might be a great fit for your team, he's a heck of a player. Bill Simmons called him 'possibly one of the best two-way guards of the 1990's', and 'the most dominant point guard of the 1990's'.

Great player, just not a great shooter. 

I agree - Great player, but a good shooter.

He was a good scorer. I think that's where we're missing a distinction here. Delonte West is probably a better shooter now than Payton ever was (beyond those 21 glorious playoff games), but Payton in his prime was 10x the scorer Delonte West ever will be.

[Rondo2287]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Well, out of the stats listed there, what else could we use to tell whether someone is a good shooter or not?

I just checked TS%, FG%, and 3%. I'll admit - GP is not as good a shooter as say - John Stockton - but the tradeoff is that GP is a better fit - for my team.

Well I think the original debate was spurned on when I was Payton was not a good outside shooter, which he wasn't. He might be a great fit for your team, he's a heck of a player. Bill Simmons called him 'possibly one of the best two-way guards of the 1990's', and 'the most dominant point guard of the 1990's'.

Great player, just not a great shooter. 

I agree - Great player, but a good shooter.

He was a good scorer. I think that's where we're missing a distinction here. Delonte West is probably a better shooter now than Payton ever was (beyond those 21 glorious playoff games), but Payton in his prime was 10x the scorer Delonte West ever will be.

I think he is in a similar class with Wade, Great scorer and when he gets hot shooting you had better watch out.  But career Dwade is a .291 3pt shooter.  Again Great scorer, but not the best shooter

[GreenFaith1819]

Look, lol...I love Rondo, but are you implying that Gary Dwayne Payton is only as good a shooter as Rondo?

I just checked the stats for Rondo.

Or do we not give Rondo enough credit here on the Forums?

I'm just stating that you can't use ts% as something to display someone's a good shooter.

Well, out of the stats listed there, what else could we use to tell whether someone is a good shooter or not?

I just checked TS%, FG%, and 3%. I'll admit - GP is not as good a shooter as say - John Stockton - but the tradeoff is that GP is a better fit - for my team.

Well I think the original debate was spurned on when I was Payton was not a good outside shooter, which he wasn't. He might be a great fit for your team, he's a heck of a player. Bill Simmons called him 'possibly one of the best two-way guards of the 1990's', and 'the most dominant point guard of the 1990's'.

Great player, just not a great shooter. 

I agree - Great player, but a good shooter.

He was a good scorer. I think that's where we're missing a distinction here. Delonte West is probably a better shooter now than Payton ever was (beyond those 21 glorious playoff games), but Payton in his prime was 10x the scorer Delonte West ever will be.

So what is the difference between a good scorer or good shooter? I think that there is a point where the stats can be nuked too much.

And I have to disagree with you on the DWest comparison - wow. I've seen the two shoot with my own eyes - maybe not in person, but on TV and Video.

Overall, though - Great Game and commentary! I love all the picks so far.