Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes

[kozlodoev]

I'll be extremely disappointed in Danny if he just lets Jeff go, though.

I comes down to how much you pay him.  In my opinion, Green isn't worth much more than the MLE.  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

Guys like the one you're describing shouldn't even be in the NBA. Overreact much?

In what area am I overreacting?

His scoring is very average, especially on a per-minute basis.  14 points per 36 minutes just isn't anything better than mediocre / average.  He's also a pretty average shooter.

His defense is average (mediocre) at best.

His rebounding is poor.  His passing is poor.  Obviously, that's relative to his peers, but no, I don't think I'm overreacting at all.

15 points / game alongside Westbrook & Durant, = mediocre/average offense player?

A 6'9 forward who can post up and bang up the smaller SF in the paint = don't sign the guy for less than 6 millions and see what happens?

You must be kidding, or you need to cool off from your PO emotions. No Jeff Green did not win the serie against Miami for the C's, but he did not make them loose either. Poor execution, old legs and a great Miami team did.

To be fair to Roy, he's been pushing this point since before the playoffs started. I still don't agree

[kozlodoev]

No, you can see he gained weight through the year.  The deal is that Danny wants to talk up someone he'd like to S&T away, talk down (in a nice way) someone he'd like to sign.

Why would anyone want to S&T a player for less than the MLE?

[Who]

No, you can see he gained weight through the year.  The deal is that Danny wants to talk up someone he'd like to S&T away, talk down (in a nice way) someone he'd like to sign.

Why would anyone want to S&T a player for less than the MLE?

To keep their MLE to spend on an additional player.

Or to get rid of somebody they do not want on their roster (most likely, someone overpaid).

[kozlodoev]

No, you can see he gained weight through the year.  The deal is that Danny wants to talk up someone he'd like to S&T away, talk down (in a nice way) someone he'd like to sign.

Why would anyone want to S&T a player for less than the MLE?

To keep their MLE to spend on an additional player.

Or to get rid of somebody they do not want on their roster (most likely, someone overpaid).

"Overpaid at less than the MLE" is a concept which I always thought existed in only the minds of Celtics fans that were allergic to Brian Scalabrine.

[Roy H.]

15 points / game alongside Westbrook & Durant, = mediocre/average offense player?

A 6'9 forward who can post up and bang up the smaller SF in the paint = don't sign the guy for less than 6 millions and see what happens?

You must be kidding, or you need to cool off from your PO emotions. No Jeff Green did not win the serie against Miami for the C's, but he did not make them loose either. Poor execution, old legs and a great Miami team did.

We'll see, I guess.  Green was given plenty of opportunity to be the primary scoring option off the second unit.  While lots of scorers thrive in that role -- Terry, Ginobili, Crawford, Odom -- Green didn't show much more than he did in OKC.  I just don't see anything special out of him in the scoring department.

I don't think he's terrible, but I'd call him around average.  Green's points per minute were 153rd in the NBA, which just isn't good for somebody whose primary talent is supposedly scoring.  For comparison sake, it's pretty much dead even with Big Baby's production.

[bbd24]

15 points / game alongside Westbrook & Durant, = mediocre/average offense player?

A 6'9 forward who can post up and bang up the smaller SF in the paint = don't sign the guy for less than 6 millions and see what happens?

You must be kidding, or you need to cool off from your PO emotions. No Jeff Green did not win the serie against Miami for the C's, but he did not make them loose either. Poor execution, old legs and a great Miami team did.

We'll see, I guess.  Green was given plenty of opportunity to be the primary scoring option off the second unit.  While lots of scorers thrive in that role -- Terry, Ginobili, Crawford, Odom -- Green didn't show much more than he did in OKC.  I just don't see anything special out of him in the scoring department.

I don't think he's terrible, but I'd call him around average.  Green's points per minute were 153rd in the NBA, which just isn't good for somebody whose primary talent is supposedly scoring.  For comparison sake, it's pretty much dead even with Big Baby's production.

How many practices total do you think Green had with the team to get comfortable ?

Do you feel a full training camp to learn Doc's defense and offense will make him a better player ?  Or do you think the time he had to get everything down post trade was more than enough to judge his talents ?

[Roy H.]

15 points / game alongside Westbrook & Durant, = mediocre/average offense player?

A 6'9 forward who can post up and bang up the smaller SF in the paint = don't sign the guy for less than 6 millions and see what happens?

You must be kidding, or you need to cool off from your PO emotions. No Jeff Green did not win the serie against Miami for the C's, but he did not make them loose either. Poor execution, old legs and a great Miami team did.

We'll see, I guess.  Green was given plenty of opportunity to be the primary scoring option off the second unit.  While lots of scorers thrive in that role -- Terry, Ginobili, Crawford, Odom -- Green didn't show much more than he did in OKC.  I just don't see anything special out of him in the scoring department.

I don't think he's terrible, but I'd call him around average.  Green's points per minute were 153rd in the NBA, which just isn't good for somebody whose primary talent is supposedly scoring.  For comparison sake, it's pretty much dead even with Big Baby's production.

How many practices total do you think Green had with the team to get comfortable ?

Do you feel a full training camp to learn Doc's defense and offense will make him a better player ?  Or do you think the time he had to get everything down post trade was more than enough to judge his talents ?

I hope it makes him better.  However, look at his per-36 minute production, both last year and this year:

Year	'09 - '10	'11 OKC	'11 Boston
Pts/36	14.7	14.8	14.9
Rebs/36	5.8	5.3	5.1
Asst/36	1.6	1.8	1.1
Steals/36	1.2	0.8	0.8
Blocks/36	0.9	0.5	0.9
FG%	45.3%	43.7%	48.5%
3PT%	33.3%	30.4%	29.6%

To me, this shows a guy who "is who he is", with remarkably steady numbers from year to year, and situation to situation.  Those are the type of players I don't suddenly expect to break out.

[bbd24]

15 points / game alongside Westbrook & Durant, = mediocre/average offense player?

A 6'9 forward who can post up and bang up the smaller SF in the paint = don't sign the guy for less than 6 millions and see what happens?

You must be kidding, or you need to cool off from your PO emotions. No Jeff Green did not win the serie against Miami for the C's, but he did not make them loose either. Poor execution, old legs and a great Miami team did.

We'll see, I guess.  Green was given plenty of opportunity to be the primary scoring option off the second unit.  While lots of scorers thrive in that role -- Terry, Ginobili, Crawford, Odom -- Green didn't show much more than he did in OKC.  I just don't see anything special out of him in the scoring department.

I don't think he's terrible, but I'd call him around average.  Green's points per minute were 153rd in the NBA, which just isn't good for somebody whose primary talent is supposedly scoring.  For comparison sake, it's pretty much dead even with Big Baby's production.

How many practices total do you think Green had with the team to get comfortable ?

Do you feel a full training camp to learn Doc's defense and offense will make him a better player ?  Or do you think the time he had to get everything down post trade was more than enough to judge his talents ?

I hope it makes him better.  However, look at his per-36 minute production, both last year and this year:

Year	'09 - '10	'11 OKC	'11 Boston
Pts/36	14.7	14.8	14.9
Rebs/36	5.8	5.3	5.1
Asst/36	1.6	1.8	1.1
Steals/36	1.2	0.8	0.8
Blocks/36	0.9	0.5	0.9
FG%	45.3%	43.7%	48.5%
3PT%	33.3%	30.4%	29.6%

To me, this shows a guy who "is who he is", with remarkably steady numbers from year to year, and situation to situation.  Those are the type of players I don't suddenly expect to break out.

Nothing eye popping with those stats.  Maybe you let him walk if the price isn't right, take your chances on say, a Battier type, and hope you land someone huge with your savings in 2012.  When the markets ripe

[BballTim]

No, you can see he gained weight through the year.  The deal is that Danny wants to talk up someone he'd like to S&T away, talk down (in a nice way) someone he'd like to sign.

Why would anyone want to S&T a player for less than the MLE?

  The Celts tried to do it with Marquis to give him more than what they had after Sheed got the MLE.

[SHAQATTACK]

Thats fine...we gotta lot of used equpiment to unload...

[Dunn]

So Danny feels Jeff Green is close to surpassing Paul Pierce, interesting. The Captain had a bad series, but honestly simply coaching clearly shows that if Rondo is gonna run have runners beside him. Paul is an iso player and showed too much running makes him ineffective. Danny is speaking about someone who was traded due to poor playoff performances. 

[Roy H.]

So Danny feels Jeff Green is close to surpassing Paul Pierce, interesting. The Captain had a bad series, but honestly simply coaching clearly shows that if Rondo is gonna run have runners beside him. Paul is an iso player and showed too much running makes him ineffective. Danny is speaking about someone who was traded due to poor playoff performances. 

I don't think Pierce had a bad playoff series.  In fact, I think he had a better series than any other player on the team.

[dasani]

I really hate that it seems he just realized that he should have pushed harder for Tony. Geesh. :facepalm:  

[jambr380]

I know that some people have been pretty upset with the over the hill centers Danny has brought in the last couple of years, but they really have been the only decent option. Centers on their rookie contracts don't have the experience and centers in their mid to late 20s are way too expensive. Bringing in guys like Brown, Sheed, Shaq, and JO give us the option to have a primetime center for a year or two for a much lower price. And, honestly, unless we somehow can acquire Dwight, I hope Danny keeps doing this. Centers are way overpaid in this league.

[kozlodoev]

So Danny feels Jeff Green is close to surpassing Paul Pierce, interesting.

I don't think he feels anything remotely close to that. What he says is that Pierce (and Garnett and Allen) for  that matter need more rest. Which should have been evident for anyone who watched the Miami series, where the team had no legs after 40 minutes.