Danny really is a snake oil salesman - Sometimes

[Roy H.]

Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Not much.  When asked about why BBD did poorly in the playoffs, he basically said "I don't know".  He said Baby did well on his weight program, and said that he's a good player.  He said that he'd like to have him back, although he didn't sound all that enthusiastic.

By the way, the idiots on WEEI still don't understand the salary cap.  Jermaine O'Neal coming back doesn't have anything to do with our ability to sign guys next year.

[PosImpos]

I'll be extremely disappointed in Danny if he just lets Jeff go, though.

I comes down to how much you pay him.  In my opinion, Green isn't worth much more than the MLE.  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

Agreed.  Which is why I think he plays for the QO this year.  He is in a position similar to Davis was a couple years ago.  He is probably worth something just above the MLE right now, however, he could possibly get more if he plays well next season.  And, since the C's would likely match an MLE type deal, teams know that they would need to overpay to lure him away, and he just is not good enough to overpay for right now.

So, I think he signs the QO, and then tries to rebuild his value next year.  

I don't think Green gets enough minutes to prove himself worthy of a larger contract the following summer.

More likely to hurt his market value than help it by returning to the Celtics on the Qualifying Offer.

I disagree.  Assuming Glen Davis leaves in free agency, I think Jeff Green could see as many as 20-25 minutes per game as his confidence -- and Doc's confidence in him -- increase over the summer / training camp / pre-season / regular season.

Didn't Posey play 20+ minutes for us in '07-'08?  I don't see why Jeff can't grow into a similar kind of role -- even a bigger one, offensively speaking.

[Roy H.]

I'll be extremely disappointed in Danny if he just lets Jeff go, though.

I comes down to how much you pay him.  In my opinion, Green isn't worth much more than the MLE.  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

Guys like the one you're describing shouldn't even be in the NBA. Overreact much?

In what area am I overreacting?

His scoring is very average, especially on a per-minute basis.  14 points per 36 minutes just isn't anything better than mediocre / average.  He's also a pretty average shooter.

His defense is average (mediocre) at best.

His rebounding is poor.  His passing is poor.  Obviously, that's relative to his peers, but no, I don't think I'm overreacting at all.

[j804]

Interesting. He has said several times "If" Jeff Green is back next year, and he also has mentioned the possibility of Pierce coming off the bench. Then quickly said that was a hypothetical.

Also said he thinks Shaq will retire and he does not know if JO will be back. Darn, the Celtics need a center.

I wonder if this means JO is retiring or going elsewhere

[Evantime34]

  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

It'd be ideal to get him on the QO. He just did a pretty good job on Lebron. I have trouble calling him a mediocre defender after seeing that.

You're going to base your evaluation of him as a defender on a few minutes against Lebron?  What about the rest of the season, when he more often than not looked downright poor on defense?

I thought I was being charitable by calling him mediocre.

The problem with Green is you can see the potential. He is a very good athlete, who is a legit 6'9. His jumper is serviceable but he's young so it could get better. Due to his athletecism and length it's not a stretch to think he could become a very good defender. So when he plays good defense against LeBron it could be a glimpse of things to come.

My main problem with him is how passive he is on offense. He has all the tools to be a big time scorer but hesitates on shots when they are kicked to him. When he hesitates it gives the defender time to close out, then he ends up taking a few dribbles, taking an awful shot or wasting a ton of time on the shot clock by passing the ball back to where it came from.

I hope that a full offseason with the Celtics and he could be the player I know he can be. Then again, the same could be said of Gerald Green.

[Eja117]

Unreal. He just said if Avery Bradley was in the draft this year he would be a top 5 pick. Man is he a BS artist.

But not a very good one

[Chris]

I'll be extremely disappointed in Danny if he just lets Jeff go, though.

I comes down to how much you pay him.  In my opinion, Green isn't worth much more than the MLE.  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

Agreed.  Which is why I think he plays for the QO this year.  He is in a position similar to Davis was a couple years ago.  He is probably worth something just above the MLE right now, however, he could possibly get more if he plays well next season.  And, since the C's would likely match an MLE type deal, teams know that they would need to overpay to lure him away, and he just is not good enough to overpay for right now.

So, I think he signs the QO, and then tries to rebuild his value next year.  

I don't think Green gets enough minutes to prove himself worthy of a larger contract the following summer.

More likely to hurt his market value than help it by returning to the Celtics on the Qualifying Offer.

While you may be right, I still don't think any teams are going bite on giving him an offer sheet above the MLE, simply because there are better options for their cap space, and they aren't going to give him an offer sheet below the MLE because the C's would match it.

I just think he will be choosing between signing a reasonable contract with the C's, or taking that QO. 

[vinnie]

  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

It'd be ideal to get him on the QO. He just did a pretty good job on Lebron. I have trouble calling him a mediocre defender after seeing that.

I think the qualifying offer will be around $7 million, correct?

[kozlodoev]

I'll be extremely disappointed in Danny if he just lets Jeff go, though.

I comes down to how much you pay him.  In my opinion, Green isn't worth much more than the MLE.  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

Guys like the one you're describing shouldn't even be in the NBA. Overreact much?

In what area am I overreacting?

His scoring is very average, especially on a per-minute basis.  14 points per 36 minutes just isn't anything better than mediocre / average.  He's also a pretty average shooter.

His defense is average (mediocre) at best.

His rebounding is poor.  His passing is poor.  Obviously, that's relative to his peers, but no, I don't think I'm overreacting at all.

He's never been the primary option on offense. You're not going to score a lot on teams that have Westbrook/Durant (or Allen/Pierce/Garnett, for that matter). As small a sample as it is, he did pretty well, scoring-wise, in the games when the Big 3 was out and he was a starter with Rondo running the show.

His defense is better than mediocre. He can stay with most SFs (which has been a question mark). He gets pushed around by some PFs, but is at least an option there at spurts. He's the first thing that comes to mind when you say "lock-down defender", but to me at least he's shown that he can be reliable at the SF position. And he did a credible job on James in the playoffs, which is important since we'll need this in the future.

No, his rebounding or passing is nothing to write home about. No, he's not perfect, and he's not the first guy you'd pick if  you were starting a franchise. But he's not someone with mostly mediocre and a couple of poor skills. That's Jiri Welsch.

[kozlodoev]

  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

It'd be ideal to get him on the QO. He just did a pretty good job on Lebron. I have trouble calling him a mediocre defender after seeing that.

I think the qualifying offer will be around $7 million, correct?

6 and change, I think, but yes, somewhere in that ballpark.

[vinnie]

Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Yes. He said there is a decent chance Glen could be back. Also was asked about his weight, etc. and he said that Glen has a weight clause in his contract or something like that and that Glen did very well in terms of that clause. I find that hard to believe just looking at the guy.

[PosImpos]

Interesting. He has said several times "If" Jeff Green is back next year, and he also has mentioned the possibility of Pierce coming off the bench. Then quickly said that was a hypothetical.

Also said he thinks Shaq will retire and he does not know if JO will be back. Darn, the Celtics need a center.

I wonder if this means JO is retiring or going elsewhere

JO has years left on his contract, so he's not going elsewhere unless he's retiring.  Hard to imagine him retiring, since he's obviously still got some left in the tank even if he's injury prone.  He's still in his early 30's.  If JO retires, though, we're really in a jam, since we don't have the cap space or trade assets to acquire another center (even if we do need a better starting center than we currently have).

Dalembert would be nice, but he'll get more than the MLE, and so will most of the other decent starting center options on the market.

My dream come true would be somehow getting a hold of Nene.  He'd be perfect with Rondo and the Big 3.  Can't possibly happen, though.

[Who]

  He's a mediocre scorer, a mediocre defender, and a poor rebounder and passer.  Guys like that aren't worth the $10 million per season he reportedly asked for.

It'd be ideal to get him on the QO. He just did a pretty good job on Lebron. I have trouble calling him a mediocre defender after seeing that.

I think the qualifying offer will be around $7 million, correct?

6 and change, I think, but yes, somewhere in that ballpark.

$5,908,641

[kozlodoev]

Any comments pertaining to Glen Davis?

Yes. He said there is a decent chance Glen could be back. Also was asked about his weight, etc. and he said that Glen has a weight clause in his contract or something like that and that Glen did very well in terms of that clause. I find that hard to believe just looking at the guy.

Just looking at the guy, he doesn't look like he gained much weight as the season progressed. Just because Heinsohn blabbered about something on TV doesn't make it true.

[vinnie]

Interesting. He has said several times "If" Jeff Green is back next year, and he also has mentioned the possibility of Pierce coming off the bench. Then quickly said that was a hypothetical.

Also said he thinks Shaq will retire and he does not know if JO will be back. Darn, the Celtics need a center.

I wonder if this means JO is retiring or going elsewhere

He said the JO needs to take some time to get his head straight before he decided whether he wants to come back or not. I think he also mentioned that JO may need surgery on his wrist, but I may have heard that wrong.