Perkins would not have helped here

[dlpin]

I'm sorry but I am going to go out and say it Kendrick Perkins would not have helped here.  Niether would any of the other players that we traded.

Perkins was only effective against two teams, the Magic and the Lakers.  Any center put with the big 4 could put up the numbers that Perkins did offensively and JO did just as well as him defensively.

The reason for the trade was that we needed somebody to back up pierce and that is what we got.  Besides the occasional lapses I believe Green played really well especially on defense.  If anything the problem was that he did not get to play with the big 4. 

I believe Doc is a great coach but if you talk about a reason for making a trade and then never go with why even mention it.  Green needed davis' minutes from the time he came over in the trade.

Overall I am disappointed but I am still happy to be a celtics fan.  I don't think any team in the NBA had as many injuries over the course of the season and during the playoffs as us and I believe that the team played with heart and pride anyways.

4 years, 1 title and 3 what if injuries...I am not jumping for joy but after that 06-07 season I will definitely take it

Wrong - people like you who insist on looking only at the X & O's dynamics of the Perk trade are missing the point of why his loss took so much away from this team. either you want to make yourself feel better or you don't understand basketball very well. i've explained the reasons on here too many times already as to why the loss of Kendrick Perkins devastated this team in so many ways, so i will not take another half houe to repeat my points.

the Celts win this series if Ainge does not make that trade and then we would have had a very good shot at #18 - but that's all for nought now. Danny destroyed the Celtics and i believe his ego was what ultimately decided to make that trade.

I forgot all about Perkins' magic rejuvenating abilities. My bad.

[winsomme]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

[barefacedmonk]

I'm sorry but I am going to go out and say it Kendrick Perkins would not have helped here.  Niether would any of the other players that we traded.

Perkins was only effective against two teams, the Magic and the Lakers.  Any center put with the big 4 could put up the numbers that Perkins did offensively and JO did just as well as him defensively.

The reason for the trade was that we needed somebody to back up pierce and that is what we got.  Besides the occasional lapses I believe Green played really well especially on defense.  If anything the problem was that he did not get to play with the big 4. 

I believe Doc is a great coach but if you talk about a reason for making a trade and then never go with why even mention it.  Green needed davis' minutes from the time he came over in the trade.

Overall I am disappointed but I am still happy to be a celtics fan.  I don't think any team in the NBA had as many injuries over the course of the season and during the playoffs as us and I believe that the team played with heart and pride anyways.

4 years, 1 title and 3 what if injuries...I am not jumping for joy but after that 06-07 season I will definitely take it

Wrong - people like you who insist on looking only at the X & O's dynamics of the Perk trade are missing the point of why his loss took so much away from this team. either you want to make yourself feel better or you don't understand basketball very well. i've explained the reasons on here too many times already as to why the loss of Kendrick Perkins devastated this team in so many ways, so i will not take another half houe to repeat my points.

the Celts win this series if Ainge does not make that trade and then we would have had a very good shot at #18 - but that's all for nought now. Danny destroyed the Celtics and i believe his ego was what ultimately decided to make that trade.

I forgot all about Perkins' magic rejuvenating abilities. My bad.

And Nenad's scoring from the bench too.

[dlpin]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

Those 3 3 pointers included 2 where Lebron hit them with a hand in his face, and 1 which was a transition basket. Again, Perkins would have done NOTHING to stop that.

Perkins would do nothing to help the lack of scoring in the last 4 minutes and a half, either.

[winsomme]

2009-10 Playoffs

DWade
G1 - 26 points
G2 - 29 points
G3 - 34 points
G4 - 46 points
G5 - 31 points

LBJ
G1 - 35 points
G2 - 24 points
G3 - 38 points
G4 - 22 points
G5 - 15 points
G6 - 27 points

Oh we had Perk in those games.  LBJ's numbers dropped late in the series, but that's also when everyone believed he quit.

Celtics also won those series 4-1 and 4-2 respectively...but yeah Wade and LeBron quit...so that doesn't count. And we quit in game 7..so Lakers championship doesn't count either.

We also won those series last year because PP played like a stud in Round 1.

Rondo was a stud in Round 2.

Who was our stud in this year's series against the Heat?


Jermaine O'Neal?

Delonte West?

So when we win we attribute it a "stud"...but if we lose or if someone goes off then it's "Perkins isn't good enough".

How about blaming Ray and Pierce for Wade's and LBJ's numbers?

I thought our offense got better after the trade...that's what this whole blog and Danny were saying...we got better. Pfft.

Anyway, we are out of the playoffs and Perkins' team is still very much in it. More power to him.

This topic was not about saying that we got better after the trade.  I said that I don't believe Perk would have helped in this series, I don't know if we would have won or lost with him.. 

 but if you want to look at statistics our ppg allowed went down after the perkins trade. 

I think we are all pretty tapped out on this subject. It certainly will pop again and again during the off season, but not much is going to change...

Personally, I think the real question is what does Danny think would have made a difference in this series.

he's usually pretty good at recognizing mistakes and aggressively trying to rectify them. so personally I expect him to go after any big man that could play with our starting unit.

If that's what he does, I think it's a pretty good sign that he recognizes that the lack of a healthy starting center was the main reason for us getting bumped from the playoffs...

you're hoping Danny Boy recognizes that we neede4d a solid starting center to succeed in the playoffs ? really?  then why did he trade the healthy starting center away

because for some reason he thought Shaq would be back...

but if you look at Danny's history, he's very good at moving to rectify mistakes. Just look at how aggressive he was at going after Rasheed after the 08-09 season.

[jdpapa3]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

Those 3 3 pointers included 2 where Lebron hit them with a hand in his face, and 1 which was a transition basket. Again, Perkins would have done NOTHING to stop that.

Perkins would do nothing to help the lack of scoring in the last 4 minutes and a half, either.

Just give up. People have already made up their minds on the trade since February and will just continue to spew faulty or hollow analysis. You can show them that jeff green has held Lebron to 39% shooting while scoring the same pts per 36 minutes as he did in OKC or that the Thunder leak points while Perkins is on the court in this current Grizzlies series and their tune will never change.

[winsomme]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

Those 3 3 pointers included 2 where Lebron hit them with a hand in his face, and 1 which was a transition basket. Again, Perkins would have done NOTHING to stop that.

Perkins would do nothing to help the lack of scoring in the last 4 minutes and a half, either.

you're looking very narrowly at the situation IMO. we had an entire game of Wade and LeBron driving to the hoop with sketchy rotations to stop the penetration.

by the end of the game, the Cs defense was so reactive to the penetration that shooters were given extra room (LeBron's) or not picked up at all (Jones).

that most definitely had to do with our interior defense.

anyway, let's see what Danny's does. that will be the real test to see what he thinks was our weakness in this series.

[dlpin]

The criticism of Ainge is also absolute nonsense.
Not counting the era of the territorial picks in the nba draft, only 4 teams have won the NBA championship without having a top 3 draft pick or a substantial amount of cap space for a major free agent signing:
the 70s Celtics
the 79 sonics
the 06 heat
the 08 celtics

I would say that is pretty impressive.

[winsomme]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

Those 3 3 pointers included 2 where Lebron hit them with a hand in his face, and 1 which was a transition basket. Again, Perkins would have done NOTHING to stop that.

Perkins would do nothing to help the lack of scoring in the last 4 minutes and a half, either.

Just give up. People have already made up their minds on the trade since February and will just continue to spew faulty or hollow analysis. You can show them that jeff green has held Lebron to 39% shooting while scoring the same pts per 36 minutes as he did in OKC or that the Thunder leak points while Perkins is on the court in this current Grizzlies series and their tune will never change.

uh-huh. yeah the "bad trade" people are the faulty logic people.

The proof is in the pudding my friend and this team is no longer playing...

[LB3533]

Perk ain't gonna help with rotations.

Perk would foul the Heat just like the rest of the C's did.

We lost this series due to poor turnovers, poor offensive execution and our small lineup didn't come close to playing even to their small lineup.

[dlpin]

you're looking very narrowly at the situation IMO. we had an entire game of Wade and LeBron driving to the hoop with sketchy rotations to stop the penetration.

by the end of the game, the Cs defense was so reactive to the penetration that shooters were given extra room (LeBron's) or not picked up at all (Jones).

that most definitely had to do with our interior defense.

anyway, let's see what Danny's does. that will be the real test to see what he thinks was our weakness in this series.

I am not looking narrowly at anything. Perkins is not the difference between losing 3 games by 9 points or more and winning the series. The idea that missing Perkins is somehow singlehandedly responsible for a 10 point swing in those games is incredible.

[LB3533]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

Those 3 3 pointers included 2 where Lebron hit them with a hand in his face, and 1 which was a transition basket. Again, Perkins would have done NOTHING to stop that.

Perkins would do nothing to help the lack of scoring in the last 4 minutes and a half, either.

Just give up. People have already made up their minds on the trade since February and will just continue to spew faulty or hollow analysis. You can show them that jeff green has held Lebron to 39% shooting while scoring the same pts per 36 minutes as he did in OKC or that the Thunder leak points while Perkins is on the court in this current Grizzlies series and their tune will never change.

uh-huh. yeah the "bad trade" people are the faulty logic people.

The proof is in the pudding my friend and this team is no longer playing...

We are no longer playing has nothing to do with Perk or no Perk.

[dlpin]

uh-huh. yeah the "bad trade" people are the faulty logic people.

The proof is in the pudding my friend and this team is no longer playing...

We don't have Harandogy anymore either. Is he the reason we are out? This logic is absurdly oversimplifying.

[barefacedmonk]

The league finally has a "LeBron stopper"...and he was on our bench all this time. Why didn't he play??



Oh..never mind.

[ElChe]

we were up by six with 4 mins left in this game, something has to be the difference...

And we lost because we scored only 2 points the rest of the way, and because James Jones and Lebron hit 3 3 pointers in 2 minutes. Perkins wouldn't change any of that.

again, 3 pointers end up being open because you are so worried about penetration that you don't  close out on them....

Those 3 3 pointers included 2 where Lebron hit them with a hand in his face, and 1 which was a transition basket. Again, Perkins would have done NOTHING to stop that.

Perkins would do nothing to help the lack of scoring in the last 4 minutes and a half, either.

Just give up. People have already made up their minds on the trade since February and will just continue to spew faulty or hollow analysis. You can show them that jeff green has held Lebron to 39% shooting while scoring the same pts per 36 minutes as he did in OKC or that the Thunder leak points while Perkins is on the court in this current Grizzlies series and their tune will never change.

agree with that... Perk wouldn't have helped because he is to slow for these guys, i watched what 30 year old fat Randolph did to him, does anyone think that James and Wade are slower, not good enough as Randolph?