Under what conditions could Ainge get fired..

[Eja117]

Repeat after me.

We are not losing because of the trade.

Agreed.

We are losing because the Heat have gelled together.

As much as we mocked at the time, their little locker room cry a few months ago seemed to be a turning point, and they have played well ever since.

In other words, the Celtics aren't losing because they are playing poorly because of some psychological damage or reduction in talent thanks to the trade, the Celtics are losing because the Heat are playing better than they did in the first part of the season.

It is waaayyy too early in the morning to try to make my head explode.

[vinnie]

A simple point about Danny. I keep reading, in this thread and elsewhere, that the trade has nothing to do with this, it won't be Danny's fault if they lose, etc. By that logic then, I give Danny no credit for the Celtics winning the championship in 2008. Bottom line: He is the head of basketball operations and he is responsible, win or lose. No excuses.

[pearljammer10]

Repeat after me.

We are not losing because of the trade.

The biggest weaknesses that have been hurting us against the Heat are weak side rotations on defense, confidence, and intimidation. Three things that Perkins gave to this team in enormous amounts. Perkins was great at helping on the weak side and filling the space where the defenders would force them to go, he gave the team some swagger that is missing, and Perk would be able to fill up the middle and intimidate the drivers and slashers.

Green, overall is a much better much more talented player, however, Perk was a much better fit for this team, and plain and simple, he is greatly greatly missed and that is hurting the team at the moment.

[Eja117]

A simple point about Danny. I keep reading, in this thread and elsewhere, that the trade has nothing to do with this, it won't be Danny's fault if they lose, etc. By that logic then, I give Danny no credit for the Celtics winning the championship in 2008. Bottom line: He is the head of basketball operations and he is responsible, win or lose. No excuses.

Oh man. What is it with this board and logic? LOVE is NOT logical! 

Neither is hate I guess. hmmmm.

[Cman]

Repeat after me.

We are not losing because of the trade.

Agreed.

We are losing because the Heat have gelled together.

As much as we mocked at the time, their little locker room cry a few months ago seemed to be a turning point, and they have played well ever since.

In other words, the Celtics aren't losing because they are playing poorly because of some psychological damage or reduction in talent thanks to the trade, the Celtics are losing because the Heat are playing better than they did in the first part of the season.

It is waaayyy too early in the morning to try to make my head explode.

I'm just trying to make a simple point: the Heat have gotten better.

This is something that is independent of the Celtics and their trades.

People seem to forget this simple point, and assume that other teams haven't changed over the course of the season.  The Heat have clearly changed over the course of the season; they were a better team in the 2nd half of the season than in the first.

[GreenNote]

Something to think about.
Danny's moves have cost the team.
The Perk/Nate for Krstic/Green deal stank. 
Not signing Tony Allen is obviously
an epic fail move by Danny.

Serious Question: to those who know more than
I do about the inner workings of this organization.

Under what conditions would Danny Ainge be removed
of his duties ?

He shouldn't be removed from his duties. But, I'm sure glad he was willing to cut back and not give TA a matching contract (or maybe a little more than Memphis offered), or offer Perk less than the going rate was going to be cut and not give Posey a 4th year. Tens of millions for the Big 3 year after year and yet he wants to save a few million per year on salary and luxury taxes.

I wonder how much money the C's will lose out on regarding ticket revenue from playing about 5 or 6 less home playoff games as well as t-shirts, food, drinks, etc.  Maybe it will be equal to the money saved on the aforementioned players.

I just hope Shaq plays and it is 2-2 one week from today and we are having a praise Danny thread.

TP to you and I couldn't agree with you more about Posey, TA ... My biggest problem with Ainge is that he always tries to save and cut corners. I felt like not retaining was a mistake, didn't like the fact that they didn't keep Powe, traded House ... But then again GM's have to look at the big picture

[EJPLAYA]

Look at the lineup of players we have on our squad. Danny has done an amazing job putting as many weapons as possible out on that floor. We have 6 all stars out of 12 active players. Another couple that are borderline. We have former starters who aren't even on the active list. This isn't his issue, this is that Lebron, Wade, and Bosh decided to get together. Let's not forget that we were within a few minutes and points of winning it all again last year. If you're not satisfied with Danny, you won't be satisfied with anyone.

[dlpin]

A simple point about Danny. I keep reading, in this thread and elsewhere, that the trade has nothing to do with this, it won't be Danny's fault if they lose, etc. By that logic then, I give Danny no credit for the Celtics winning the championship in 2008. Bottom line: He is the head of basketball operations and he is responsible, win or lose. No excuses.

Oh, yeah. Because acquiring 2 future hall of famers is the same thing as trading away a 25 minute, 6 points a 6 rebounds guy..   

[KG_ended_Bias]

Our Window would be closed unless we duped Orlando into taking Jeff Green,  Big Baby, Kristic, Avery Bradley & the Clippers & our 1st for Dwight Howard. We get Howard we'll win 2 more in 12 & 13.

[CeltsAcumen]

IF the Celtics do not get back to the Finals.  I keep reading the people who somehow think Danny Ainge is not responsible for blowing up the then BEST TEAM IN THE NBA.  Or that the trade had nothing to do with the Celts losing.

I just ask how you justify these claims?  The days before the trade the Celts had just whooped up on the Lakers in LA, were going to the All Star game with a swagger and teams FEARED us and DA just destroys this teams chemistry with one phone call.

He is not to blame for the Celts change?  Wow, then who is? Rondo? Baby? Doc?  Seriously?

Of course Danny Ainge is to blame, he blew the team up and gave this new team half a season to find new chemistry.  He relied on Shaq to come back, remember?  His justification was that Shaq and JO would be back.

The irony of this series is that the Heat now have the Chemistry the Celts brass so carelessly tossed away.  All for 2 Million a year and a 2018 draft pick.

Even so I still think if the Celts can get it together they can win this series.

[Chief Macho]

I think he'll quit this offseason as will Doc.   Everybody will start jumping ship.  Sad but true.

[Chris]

I would say it could be considered if they are in the lottery with no hope of reprieval for about 5 straight years.  Short of that, his job is pretty safe.

I think Danny will be walking away long before they ever consider firing him.

[Mr October]

I don't think Ainge deserves to be fired. Who would you replace him with?
He is one of the top GMs in the NBA.

Outside of the Perkins trade and some bad signings in the 2008-09 season, he has done a very solid job retooling around the contracts of KG, PP, RA and now RR.

 

[EJPLAYA]

IF the Celtics do not get back to the Finals.  I keep reading the people who somehow think Danny Ainge is not responsible for blowing up the then BEST TEAM IN THE NBA.  Or that the trade had nothing to do with the Celts losing.

I just ask how you justify these claims?  The days before the trade the Celts had just whooped up on the Lakers in LA, were going to the All Star game with a swagger and teams FEARED us and DA just destroys this teams chemistry with one phone call.

He is not to blame for the Celts change?  Wow, then who is? Rondo? Baby? Doc?  Seriously?

Of course Danny Ainge is to blame, he blew the team up and gave this new team half a season to find new chemistry.  He relied on Shaq to come back, remember?  His justification was that Shaq and JO would be back.

The irony of this series is that the Heat now have the Chemistry the Celts brass so carelessly tossed away.  All for 2 Million a year and a 2018 draft pick.

Even so I still think if the Celts can get it together they can win this series.

Rondo is to blame partly for acting like a 12 yr old kid who just lost his buddy and whose poor play started the entire team into a downslide. That's not what leaders do.

BBD is to blame partly because he has played like a guy who shouldn't even be in the NBA most of the last few months of the season. He hasn't been that hustling spark off the bench. He's just been a ball hog in a contract year. Jokes on him because he did more damage to his offseason than he helped by a very large margin.

Doc is partly to blame for not inserting his new players into the lineup and living with a little growing pains in the regular season. If we had Jeff Green playing a lot more minutes, Troy Murphy playing at all, we'd be a better team right now than what is out there. Then you have your coach backing up these new guys and what they can bring to the floor versus burying them for the most part. Not a great chemistry building move.

The fact is, that if we had Perk on this team right now some of that might not have happened, however we still wouldn't have the firepower to outscore the Heat, nor the defenders to guard Lebron and Wade. We were a better team with Shaq out on that floor than with Perk, and JO has played very well since he returned this last time. At least we aren't having thread after thread in the offseason that DA is an idiot because he let Perk walk for nothing.

[footey]

Under what conditions would Danny Ainge be removed
of his duties ?

Short of being caught in bed with Wyc's wife, or tweeting his agreement with the Pittsburg Steeler's running back about Osama Bin Laden, absolutely nothing. Danny Ainge completely turned the organization around with brilliant moves, bringing us our first championship in over 20 years, and also within minutes of a second one.  It is more appropriate to ask when the Danny Ainge statute will be erected than to wonder how we can fire him. Seriously.