Glen Davis: -21 plus/minus

[Casperian]

"Those of us who have been paying attention"?

Or "Those of us who focus on his weaknesses"?

Aside from the fact that +/- is an empty stat without any value, the pure thought that our HoF-laden team gets "destroyed" from within by a single guy who played great ball in the first 50 games of the season sounds pretty ridiculous, don´t you think?
Not to mention that the people in charge in the Celtics organization are completely unaware of this "obvious fact", and play him heavy minutes regardless.

What are they thinking, huh?

Do you think he played well out there?

Like a bench player. Do you think he was bad?

Where is the "Paul Pierce destroyed us in the first half" thread?

[action781]

The real problem is the way Doc's using Baby.  Baby is a role player and really not too bad of one.  He would be good on the floor alongside Garnett and Pierce.

The problem is that Doc has been throwing the whole bench out there at the same time:  West, Green, Baby, and Krstic along with Ray.  Look at that lineup.  There is zero interior defensive toughness and not a single player who can create his own shot nor create a shot for anyone else.  It is a horrible horrible lineup.

The solution is to mix up the starters and bench.  Start going with lineups of:

Rondo/West/Pierce/Baby/Krstic
West/Pierce/Green/KG/Baby or Krstic
Rondo/Allen/Green/Baby/KG

All of those lineups have Baby in them, are big enough to hold it down inside, and also can run efficient offense.

Green, West, Baby, and Krstic are all players who are good at letting the offense come to them.  All are players who are not good at creating their own offense.  We have 3 players on our team who can either create their own offense or create offense for others:  Rondo, Pierce, KG.  So, play 1 of them at all times and 2 as much as possible.

[xmuscularghandix]

I'm having a party when he gets signed to another team.

[pearljammer10]

I'm having a party when he gets signed to another team.

Let's combine our parties because I've been planning one too.

[Q_FBE]

I wish he would have not proclaimed Boston's bench to be superior to Miami's bench. I think he was on the floor for all of Miami's significant runs so I am not surprised that his plus/minus was horrific. Trouble is can Nenad Krstic be a suitable BBD replacement. You make the call Danny Boy.

[raynman]

2 of the big four plus three subs.. That should be the way doc  mixes up his lineup..

[gar]

The real problem is the way Doc's using Baby.  Baby is a role player and really not too bad of one.  He would be good on the floor alongside Garnett and Pierce.

The problem is that Doc has been throwing the whole bench out there at the same time:  West, Green, Baby, and Krstic along with Ray.  Look at that lineup.  There is zero interior defensive toughness and not a single player who can create his own shot nor create a shot for anyone else.  It is a horrible horrible lineup.

The solution is to mix up the starters and bench.  Start going with lineups of:

Rondo/West/Pierce/Baby/Krstic
West/Pierce/Green/KG/Baby or Krstic
Rondo/Allen/Green/Baby/KG

All of those lineups have Baby in them, are big enough to hold it down inside, and also can run efficient offense.

Green, West, Baby, and Krstic are all players who are good at letting the offense come to them.  All are players who are not good at creating their own offense.  We have 3 players on our team who can either create their own offense or create offense for others:  Rondo, Pierce, KG.  So, play 1 of them at all times and 2 as much as possible.

Good point. BBD, Delonte and Green all play better with someone to feed off of. TP

[Dunn]

It was pathetic to watch KG pull him aside in a playoff game after giving up a 3pt play. Baby is doing what Baby has always done. I don't understand why most of you didn't see this the last two seasons. I kept complaining how awful he was compared to Leon Powe and the better bench players who are no longer here. He has a strong fanbase here but he's single handily have taken the Celtics back. A championship team doesn't use a Glen Davis, not in college, not in 08' NBA Finals(he played only 15 minutes of garbage time, supporters). It is getting old how comfortable teams run up the score while he's in the game and logically insane every run we make when he's sitting. We are in season 3 of watching Baby in the playoffs instead of a better big who could provide easier wins and better help to their teammates. Where the hell were some of you last season when I was complaining about him? Some of you are way to late to complain. When I was providing post after post last season, some of you defended Baby like he was your client caught sleeping with the murder weapon, then planted it on Rasheed.

[ballin]

The real problem is the way Doc's using Baby.  Baby is a role player and really not too bad of one.  He would be good on the floor alongside Garnett and Pierce.

The problem is that Doc has been throwing the whole bench out there at the same time:  West, Green, Baby, and Krstic along with Ray.  Look at that lineup.  There is zero interior defensive toughness and not a single player who can create his own shot nor create a shot for anyone else.  It is a horrible horrible lineup.

The solution is to mix up the starters and bench.  Start going with lineups of:

Rondo/West/Pierce/Baby/Krstic
West/Pierce/Green/KG/Baby or Krstic
Rondo/Allen/Green/Baby/KG

All of those lineups have Baby in them, are big enough to hold it down inside, and also can run efficient offense.

Green, West, Baby, and Krstic are all players who are good at letting the offense come to them.  All are players who are not good at creating their own offense.  We have 3 players on our team who can either create their own offense or create offense for others:  Rondo, Pierce, KG.  So, play 1 of them at all times and 2 as much as possible.

Good point. BBD, Delonte and Green all play better with someone to feed off of. TP

I totally disagree. Putting in starters would help mask BBD's level of suck-ness, much like spraying air freshener over a particularly awful fart, but it doesn't change the underlying fact that BBD is a terrible player. Honestly, you can say what you just said about literally any player in the game... "well, if you surround him with several hall-of-fame players, he won't seem that bad!" Uh, duh, obviously. That doesn't mean BBD isn't still totally awful.

He's a bad, bad player and literally any player on our roster is an upgrade over him.

[manbehindtheman]

i think you guys are exaggerating how bad BBD is...he is a decent backup power forward WHEN we have a strong center in the game...the problem is not BBD, it is that we don't have a decent center.

[ballin]

It was pathetic to watch KG pull him aside in a playoff game after giving up a 3pt play. Baby is doing what Baby has always done. I don't understand why most of you didn't see this the last two seasons. I kept complaining how awful he was compared to Leon Powe and the better bench players who are no longer here. He has a strong fanbase here but he's single handily have taken the Celtics back. A championship team doesn't use a Glen Davis, not in college, not in 08' NBA Finals(he played only 15 minutes of garbage time, supporters). It is getting old how comfortable teams run up the score while he's in the game and logically insane every run we make when he's sitting. We are in season 3 of watching Baby in the playoffs instead of a better big who could provide easier wins and better help to their teammates. Where the hell were some of you last season when I was complaining about him? Some of you are way to late to complain. When I was providing post after post last season, some of you defended Baby like he was your client caught sleeping with the murder weapon, then planted it on Rasheed.

THANK YOU FOR THIS POST. I would give a million tommy points if possible.

You're not alone dude, I've been saying the same thing since '08 when the Powe/Baby comparisons were being made. We kept the wrong guy, for sure

edit: I don't know if I have made this clear, but I've always thought that Baby sucked, without exception. I lost my login information to my old account, but you can look back at my posts on this account and confirm the fact that for the last year and a half I've been saying BAby is terrible. If somebody could dig up the old login information and figure out how I could get into my old account "yoursweatersux" then I would demonstrate to you I've been saying the same message for the last 4 years. BABY. IS. A. BAD. PLAYER.

[ben]

I would just like to point out that Kristic and Jeff Green are Both capable of playing back up power forward to kg.  Kristic can also play center.  I agree with most of the posts in this thread.  Lets keep it simple celtics, play as a team, greater than the addition of our individual talents.  Here we go to  game 2!

[anthony83]

Davis is playing badly, he is fatter and the defense is a disaster.
I hope he recovers, we need it.

[Spilling Green Dye]

I'm having a party when he gets signed to another team.

Let's combine our parties because I've been planning one too.

Please invite me too.  I've been harping on how Davis is the weak link for quite some time.  If he didn't have such a rabid "Davis Can do no Wrong" fanbase I proabably wouldn't mind him too much.  Or if Doc didn't play him an insane amount of minutes I wouldn't mind him too much either.

But its been easy to see for years now - he's been our weakest link.  Just look at http://www.82games.com/1011/1011BOS.HTM  Its inexcusable that Davis is getting the 4th most minutes based upon his impact to the product on the floor.

That said, he still can have a positive role in this series.  I just wish he'd attack the rim more often and rotate on defense quicker.  Its time he hard-fouled either Wade or Lebron when they drive to the hoop too.  Who better to do it? 

[celtics2]

The shortcomings of Davis and include Rondo are easy to read. They can away with a lot of deficiencies  during the regular season. Davis is short and needs an open shot because he can't create. Rondo can create but can't hit a jump shot so they clog the lanes and are certainly ready for his passing back out tricks. He looked like a project vs the Heat. If he doesn't start hitting outside this Series is over because he ain't getting inside. Miami will take flagrants sending him a message.