2011 NFL Football

[BASS_THUMPER]

[BigAlTheFuture]

Chances Green Bay go 19-0?

[Cman]

Chances Green Bay go 19-0?

High.

I think their two biggest impediments are:
(1) New Orleans
(2) Themselves

I'd put whoever comes out of the AFC as a distant third.

[PosImpos]

Chances Green Bay go 19-0?

i can't help thinking that they are like a really good version of the 2011 patriots . . . at some point they're going to face a team that doesn't turn the ball over and gives aaron rodgers a hard time. 

i think the 49ers, steelers, ravens, and even the texans would all have a chance of roughing up the packers with their defense and reliable running games.  the saints could also have a chance of simply outscoring the packers, too.  even a team like the cowboys could have a really good game defensively and give themselves a chance.

the packers aren't invincible.

[PosImpos]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

[Fafnir]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

[Rondo2287]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

[Fafnir]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

I'm a Bears fan I watch terrible offense win games on the backs of the defense most of my life. it isn't sustainable.

[Rondo2287]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

I'm a Bears fan I watch terrible offense win games on the backs of the defense most of my life. it isn't sustainable.

Ok, but saying, if you erase all these mistakes by team X, team Y never would have won is never a reasonable way to look at sports. 

[Fafnir]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

I'm a Bears fan I watch terrible offense win games on the backs of the defense most of my life. it isn't sustainable.

Ok, but saying, if you erase all these mistakes by team X, team Y never would have won is never a reasonable way to look at sports. 

Actually it often is, luck is important in sports and luck isn't consistent or a skill. Constantly winning close games isn't sustainable, eventually the ball bounces the other way.

[PosImpos]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

I'm a Bears fan I watch terrible offense win games on the backs of the defense most of my life. it isn't sustainable.

Ok, but saying, if you erase all these mistakes by team X, team Y never would have won is never a reasonable way to look at sports. 

Actually it often is, luck is important in sports and luck isn't consistent or a skill. Constantly winning close games isn't sustainable, eventually the ball bounces the other way.

i know logic supports everything you're saying, but when tebow just keeps winning you just have to wonder if he has some kind of . . . winning aura or something.

[Rondo2287]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

I'm a Bears fan I watch terrible offense win games on the backs of the defense most of my life. it isn't sustainable.

Ok, but saying, if you erase all these mistakes by team X, team Y never would have won is never a reasonable way to look at sports. 

Actually it often is, luck is important in sports and luck isn't consistent or a skill. Constantly winning close games isn't sustainable, eventually the ball bounces the other way.

But if Denvers field goal doesnt get blocked it doesnt go to overtime, Denver wins by three.  The ball did bounce the other way this game and they still won.  I saw a couple drops on well thrown balls, they havent been getting all the lucky rolls.

[Fafnir]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

Denial isnt just a river in Egypt.

I'm a Bears fan I watch terrible offense win games on the backs of the defense most of my life. it isn't sustainable.

Ok, but saying, if you erase all these mistakes by team X, team Y never would have won is never a reasonable way to look at sports. 

Actually it often is, luck is important in sports and luck isn't consistent or a skill. Constantly winning close games isn't sustainable, eventually the ball bounces the other way.

i know logic supports everything you're saying, but when tebow just keeps winning you just have to wonder if he has some kind of . . . winning aura or something.

Naw, I think he's better in the hurry up offense. I think he's better when the d-line is too tired to chase him down when he scrambles. He also seems to be a rhythm guy, so if you play prevent defense and let him complete a few passes he can get hot on you.

[Eja117]

tebow, again.  the dude just consistently finds ways to win ugly.  i guess after a certain point you just have to say he is really good at winning games without looking very good doing it.

Nope.

Bears RB doesn't fumble or step out of bounds game over.

He's very good at scoring 10 points in regulation. That is losing football in the NFL the majority of the time Sadly the Bears offense sucks too.

But hey I'm sure his "leadership" made Marion barber forget to just fall down.

His leadership didn't help his receiver Thomas drop 3 balls that hit him in the hands including 2 first downs and 1 sure touchdown. Had the guy caught it all this 4th quarter drama is never happening. He was targeted 13 times and caught 7. Can't say the guy can't throw well when the receivers are dropping balls that hit them in the hands.

Also for all the talk of how great the Denver defense is they didn't get a single interception against Hannie, they sacked him less than Tebow was sacked, who was running for his life most of the day, and they didn't create a single fumble in regulation. They also allowed 159 yards of rushing from Chicago's backup running backs. Meanwhile Tebow was the leading rusher for his team so those great Denver running backs that are carrying him didn't show up today.

They were also beat soundly on special teams all day till the final few minutes.

Somehow Tebow still wins the ugliest game possible.

Dungy was right that it may have been less about Denver winning and more about the Bears losing, but really both teams tried hard to lose it.

Also Tebow was like a machine that final few minutes hitting players on the sideline like 7 times in a row. Gee. Maybe John Fox should watch his quarterback play football.

Bottom line of today's football game.  Nobody on either team does their job for almost the entire game.  Then Tebow and Matt Prater show up in the final 3 minutes along with one boneheaded Bears play and one big defensive play for Denver in OT.

A cruddy cruddy game. If I had to make a conspiracy theory that the games are rigged like the WWE this game would be exhibit A.

[Eja117]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7344798/kansas-city-chiefs-fire-coach-todd-haley-struggling-team-5-8

Surprised the Chiefs fired Haley. Kinda tough to win with Palko at QB. Who do they expect to hire who is better? Gruden? Jim Fassel?