With the benefit of hindsight, do you think Danny regrets the Perk trade?

[dlpin]

Yes, for 2 reasons, Ainge had no idea trading Perk would change Rondo so greatly.   Team chemistry is something DA just passed over. And secondly, now with all the attention on this trade, Ainge will get fired if the Celts dont make it back to the finals.

I think Ainge had no idea that the Perk trade will control his future as well.

I understand not liking the trade, but thinking that there is any chance that Ainge would be fired because of it is just too much.


On top of that, unless Perkins had magic healing powers, Rondo's slump had everything to do with his health and nothing with the trade. Rondo played some of his best basketball of the season in the immediate aftermath of the trade. Not counting the short handed Denver game, Rondo followed the trade with games of 18-11, 16-15, 6-16. Then he got hurt and struggled. And now that he is healthier he has had a stretch of nice games, with 22-8, 22-14, 13-5-10 and 4-14.

[mgent]

Obviously.  The ONLY reason people have been still been for it lately was because Perk is suddenly, for no reason, an injury-prone player and uncertain for the playoffs while Krstic is not.

Great argument guys.

[dlpin]

The ONLY reason people have been still been for it lately was because Perk is suddenly, for no reason, an injury-prone player and uncertain for the playoffs while Krstic is not.

Great argument guys.

Way to ignore 11 pages of argument...

[Vermont Green]

Team chemistry is something DA just passed over.

I doubt he did ignore this but I suspect he thought the team would be over it after nearly 5+ weeks.  It's not like he brought in Ricky Davis.  We had new players and something like 18 games (22% of a season) to pull things together before the playoffs.  Of the two parts, emotional and strategic, I think it is fair to expect pros to get over the emotional after a couple of weeks max (and I think the team is over this part).  The strategic part is getting the new guys to know the "stuff" (as Doc loves to say) and the teammates.  This does take some time.

As it stands, we are incorporating Green and Krstic because of the trade but also West and JO because of injuries.  Without the trade, we would still be incorporating a back-up SF, West, and JO.  The trade made this issue bigger but by how much really?  We have one extra back-up center who is a veteran and a hard worker to "incorporate" into the rotation.

This should not be something to blame a bad year on or a reason to declare a trade a bad trade.  Thinking Shaq was healthy when he wasn't?  Now that is going to be subject to criticism I am sure but that doesn't mean DA didn't consider the impact of incorporating one extra back up player into the line up.

[StartOrien]

I think this is a bit of a straw man, because if we hadn't traded for Green, we would have gotten a better wing than Pavlovic.  There are reports that we could have had Anthony Parker, and I think he would have made a fine backup.

And yes, I think the difference between Perk and Krstic is significant.  That being the case, with Shaq's injury issues I'm very worried about our ability to adequately control the paint in the playoffs.

How is it a strawman if it is the only concrete option we can discuss? Strawman is using as the alternative some scenario where we could find an alternative on the cheap.

On offense, Kristic is clearly better than Perkins. On defense, he is clearly much worse. But unless Joel Anthony or Noah suddenly start burning the celtics for 20+ points, I don't think the difference will be all that great (and no, nothing we've seen so far has indicated that the seeding would have been different with Perkins around).

Don't get me wrong, it's not that I am ecstatic about the trade. But at the end of the day, we are talking about trades of role players.

I thought this was a great point, and was surprised through skimming through the eleven page thread that it wasn't discussed more.

[mgent]

The ONLY reason people have been still been for it lately was because Perk is suddenly, for no reason, an injury-prone player and uncertain for the playoffs while Krstic is not.

Great argument guys.

Way to ignore 11 pages of argument...

Sorry didn't read any of the 11 pages, just speaking from past experience.  What's the new argument(s) for trading chemistry + a starting C on a team with no reliable centers for a backup SF?

[dlpin]

No reason to personally go after another poster. If you have a problem, report it.

Check PM's.

[StartOrien]

The ONLY reason people have been still been for it lately was because Perk is suddenly, for no reason, an injury-prone player and uncertain for the playoffs while Krstic is not.

Great argument guys.

Way to ignore 11 pages of argument...

Sorry didn't read any of the 11 pages, just speaking from past experience.  What's the new argument(s) for trading chemistry + a starting C on a team with no reliable centers for a backup SF?

The thread is still right here. Feel free to read it if you like. Otherwise, why participate in a thread you have no intention of reading?

Easy there.

[Shamrocker]

How could he not regret it? Green, the vaunted best player in the trade has been thoroughly unimpressive. On this board, and elsewhere, some Celtics fans pledge that once JG learns the system ( as if learning a basketball system is akin to quantum physics) we’ll all be in for a real treat. Well, it’s been over a month, and some of us are beginning to suspect he’ll never quite get it.

Meanwhile Perk has taken OKC by storm. No learning curve for him. Haven't heard Scott Brooks suggest that Perk was " too nice" Nope, in Thunderland all is well. Perk has altered the identity of OKC, unleashed Serge Ibaka,and been welcomed as the second coming. Go read Thunder blogs, I challenge you to find multiple forum threads lamenting the loss of Jeff Green. Don't worry I'll wait.......

 I’ve thrown in the proverbial white towel on Gerald Jeff Green. I want my Perky back, and I suspect, down in the dark barrels of Danny subconscious he does too. 

[StartOrien]

Have people really been that down on Jeff Green? I thought he's been playing fine.

[angryguy77]

Have people really been that down on Jeff Green? I thought he's been playing fine.

I don't get that either. He seems to be playing decent and he will get better.

[CelticG1]

Have people really been that down on Jeff Green? I thought he's been playing fine.

I don't get that either. He seems to be playing decent and he will get better.

I think it's the whole mellowed out calm demeanor that he has that leads people to believe that he isn't doing well.

Kind of like with Quis. If he's not an intense player people assume he is not into the game or doesn't care.

It's a little ridiculous. He has been playing well and I think he will get better as well.

[moiso]

Have people really been that down on Jeff Green? I thought he's been playing fine.

I don't get that either. He seems to be playing decent and he will get better.

How do you know he will get better?  This is the third year in a row that he has gotten worse.  His PER keeps decreasing every year.

[indeedproceed]

Have people really been that down on Jeff Green? I thought he's been playing fine.

I don't get that either. He seems to be playing decent and he will get better.

How do you know he will get better?  This is the third year in a row that he has gotten worse.  His PER keeps decreasing every year.

I'm not sure PER is a real indicator of progress of lack thereof.

[moiso]

Have people really been that down on Jeff Green? I thought he's been playing fine.

No?  It doesn't account for much defensively, but it's the most significant stat there is in my opinion.

I don't get that either. He seems to be playing decent and he will get better.

How do you know he will get better?  This is the third year in a row that he has gotten worse.  His PER keeps decreasing every year.

I'm not sure PER is a real indicator of progress of lack thereof.