Im all set with Big Baby

[clover]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

Yep.  and that 3 that he took was on Rondo,not Baby.  Rondo dribbled out the shot clock and passed to Baby with what? 4 seconds left?  If Baby had passed it to someone who wasn't really open to shoot an even more desperation shot you would have been mad at him for that.

13 seconds left.

[Spilling Green Dye]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

This has to be the single most delusional thing I have ever read on C-blog.

Please explain to me the "simple fact" that without Davis we would not have won the 2008 champsionship.  I'm very anxious to hear this.

Also, 2 years ago, the reason we didn't get back to the finals was b/c we replaced KG with Davis.  That's WHY we didn't get back.  I'm not blaming Glen, b/c I think he tried hard and replacing KG is impossible. 

Also, how is his jumpshot the savior of the team when he is currently (this entire season) the WORST eFG% jumper on the Celtics?  And yes, he's worse than Rondo, believe it or not.  It may look like somewhat smoother jumper, but it doesn't go in much.

Like I said above, I'm not suggestion a reduction in his minutes... I just think both Doc & Davis need to re-visit Davis' role on offense.

[chambers]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

This has to be the single most delusional thing I have ever read on C-blog.

Please explain to me the "simple fact" that without Davis we would not have won the 2008 champsionship.  I'm very anxious to hear this.

Also, 2 years ago, the reason we didn't get back to the finals was b/c we replaced KG with Davis.  That's WHY we didn't get back.  I'm not blaming Glen, b/c I think he tried hard and replacing KG is impossible. 

Also, how is his jumpshot the savior of the team when he is currently (this entire season) the WORST eFG% jumper on the Celtics?  And yes, he's worse than Rondo, believe it or not.  It may look like somewhat smoother jumper, but it doesn't go in much.

Like I said above, I'm not suggestion a reduction in his minutes... I just think both Doc & Davis need to re-visit Davis' role on offense.

Although I really don't want to delve into what Davis has brought to this second unit since 2008- let me remind you. The fact is that he is been a key piece of our bench since 2008.
I'm delusional? We have people here saying that Davis is basically worthless and is a NEGATIVE impact on this team.
He brings intangibles that don't always show up on the stats sheet. The fouls he draws against big guys. The fact that his jumpshot goes in enough to FORCE opposing teams to step out and guard him on the mid perimeter. The fact that he has gotten us through some of the toughest playoff matches in the last 3 years and kept momentum going to guys like Perkins and KG could get crucial rest minutes. The number one charging fouls taken in the NBA...I could go on forever but the point I'm making is a guy like Davis is criticized for his stats whilst his intangibles assets that give our bench a fantastic interior scoring and defensive threat are overlooked.
His pick and roll defense is fricken excellent.

Delusional? The only delusional ones here are those that think we would make the finals without this big bad beast of a baby.
RECOGNISE.

[LilRip]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

Yep.  and that 3 that he took was on Rondo,not Baby.  Rondo dribbled out the shot clock and passed to Baby with what? 4 seconds left?  If Baby had passed it to someone who wasn't really open to shoot an even more desperation shot you would have been mad at him for that.

i missed the game, and would've taken your word for it, but i watched the recap. BBD caught the ball with 8 seconds left on the clock, before he hoisted up that 3.

uhmm............ can you say Bad Shot Selection?

i checked his game log and apparently, he's taken only 12 attempts the entire year (making one). He had Pierce on his left who could've run towards him for a nice hand-off and he had Ray Allen on the far right streaking out to the center. He had 2 options to pass, and though that Ray Allen pass might've been difficult, the Pierce hand-off definitely looked like a good option.

terrible decision by BBD.

[LilRip]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

This has to be the single most delusional thing I have ever read on C-blog.

Please explain to me the "simple fact" that without Davis we would not have won the 2008 champsionship.  I'm very anxious to hear this.

Also, 2 years ago, the reason we didn't get back to the finals was b/c we replaced KG with Davis.  That's WHY we didn't get back.  I'm not blaming Glen, b/c I think he tried hard and replacing KG is impossible. 

Also, how is his jumpshot the savior of the team when he is currently (this entire season) the WORST eFG% jumper on the Celtics?  And yes, he's worse than Rondo, believe it or not.  It may look like somewhat smoother jumper, but it doesn't go in much.

Like I said above, I'm not suggestion a reduction in his minutes... I just think both Doc & Davis need to re-visit Davis' role on offense.

Although I really don't want to delve into what Davis has brought to this second unit since 2008- let me remind you. The fact is that he is been a key piece of our bench since 2008.
I'm delusional? We have people here saying that Davis is basically worthless and is a NEGATIVE impact on this team.
He brings intangibles that don't always show up on the stats sheet. The fouls he draws against big guys. The fact that his jumpshot goes in enough to FORCE opposing teams to step out and guard him on the mid perimeter. The fact that he has gotten us through some of the toughest playoff matches in the last 3 years and kept momentum going to guys like Perkins and KG could get crucial rest minutes. The number one charging fouls taken in the NBA...I could go on forever but the point I'm making is a guy like Davis is criticized for his stats whilst his intangibles assets that give our bench a fantastic interior scoring and defensive threat are overlooked.
His pick and roll defense is fricken excellent.

Delusional? The only delusional ones here are those that think we would make the finals without this big bad beast of a baby.
RECOGNISE.

overeager baby backers can be just as bad as overeager baby bashers. We couldn't have won the '08 championship? seriously?? i fail to see how that's true since the guys in the first 5 plus Posey/House/Powe/Brown and even Cassell had more of an impact than him that year.

he's a nice piece/role player but that's all he is. a role player. he's replaceable. of course, if you take out a regular role player on a contender, that team will weaken. but our championship hopes do NOT rely on Big Baby.

Without Rondo/Pierce/Allen/KG - no finals.

that statement would make much more sense than no Baby=no finals. if we had kept Perk and instead, traded away BBD+Nate for Jeff Green+Krstic, would we have no more shot to get to the Finals?

[ejk3489]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

Yep.  and that 3 that he took was on Rondo,not Baby.  Rondo dribbled out the shot clock and passed to Baby with what? 4 seconds left?  If Baby had passed it to someone who wasn't really open to shoot an even more desperation shot you would have been mad at him for that.

13 seconds left.

Exactly, there was plenty of time left. I honestly don't see how people can blame Rondo for that play. Do you really think he thought Baby would shoot the 3 and not pass?

[Texstyles]

If it weren't for Big Baby's improved jumpshot and his ability to get the hole, this team wouldn't make the finals this year.
Nor would they have made the finals in 08 or last year.

The guy is 1st/2nd for 6th man of the year.
Stop hating and give respect where it's due.

This is complete revisionist history.  1)  See my post above about his jumpshot.  If we're relying on 35% (worst on the team) to get to the finals then we're sunk already.  2)  Davis was not even remotely crucial to our '08 finals appearance. 

Call it whatever you want. These are plain and simple facts that you can ignore if you want.
Without him- no 08' championship.
Without him last year- no finals.
Without him this year- no finals.

The guy almost got us through in 09 when KG was out.
It was that same jumpshot that got us through vs the Bulls if you remember too?

He is number 1 or 2 for 6th man of the year.
The above isn't revisionist history, it's the unfortunate truth that his doubters have to accept.

This has to be the single most delusional thing I have ever read on C-blog.

Please explain to me the "simple fact" that without Davis we would not have won the 2008 champsionship.  I'm very anxious to hear this.

Also, 2 years ago, the reason we didn't get back to the finals was b/c we replaced KG with Davis.  That's WHY we didn't get back.  I'm not blaming Glen, b/c I think he tried hard and replacing KG is impossible. 

Also, how is his jumpshot the savior of the team when he is currently (this entire season) the WORST eFG% jumper on the Celtics?  And yes, he's worse than Rondo, believe it or not.  It may look like somewhat smoother jumper, but it doesn't go in much.

Like I said above, I'm not suggestion a reduction in his minutes... I just think both Doc & Davis need to re-visit Davis' role on offense.

Although I really don't want to delve into what Davis has brought to this second unit since 2008- let me remind you. The fact is that he is been a key piece of our bench since 2008.
I'm delusional? We have people here saying that Davis is basically worthless and is a NEGATIVE impact on this team.
He brings intangibles that don't always show up on the stats sheet. The fouls he draws against big guys. The fact that his jumpshot goes in enough to FORCE opposing teams to step out and guard him on the mid perimeter. The fact that he has gotten us through some of the toughest playoff matches in the last 3 years and kept momentum going to guys like Perkins and KG could get crucial rest minutes. The number one charging fouls taken in the NBA...I could go on forever but the point I'm making is a guy like Davis is criticized for his stats whilst his intangibles assets that give our bench a fantastic interior scoring and defensive threat are overlooked.
His pick and roll defense is fricken excellent.

Delusional? The only delusional ones here are those that think we would make the finals without this big bad beast of a baby.
RECOGNISE.

Dont get me wrong I do think BBD brigs assets to the team but I do not see them used as much as I want.    Thats why I compared him to Walker,  great inside game but once he began to hit jumpers step away from what he was great at.  Another good example played on the otherside of the ball.  Z.Randolph was the same way thats why teams were constantly getting rid of him (but it looks like he seen the light,  because last night his game was 90% inside.)  If Big Baby played his roll i would be fine with him, but he doesnt because of that jumper.  a few a game is fine, but he takes way to many with a lot of time  on the shot clock.  Ball stops in his hands more then it should.  He should be an inside presence 1st with the jumper as a after thought not the other way around.

[papa shuttlesworth]

I can live with his jumper.  Improving it will ultimately help the team and his career.  Also, he takes the shots that the offense and defense dictates.  I'm sure if Doc did not want him to take those jumpers, the plays would be drawn up differently.  Sure, he could drive vs shoot, but he is also a role player, not a star.

My biggest gripe about Davis is his superhuman ability not to pass.  As soon as he touches the ball, the other four Celtics might as well get back on defense, as he will not be passing it out.  There was one play this season where he passed it to a cutting KG for the score and  it was great.  The fact that I vividly remember this is an indicator of how rarely he passes. 

Is there a way (Synergy, usage rate, etc.) to figure out how many times he touches, passes and shoots per game?

While I'm complaining, I also think that he should not have taken the 3 last night, given that there were some slightly better 3pt shooters on the floor.  But that also could partly be placed on Rondo (or even Ray and Paul for not getting open).

[European NBA fan]

While I'm complaining, I also think that he should not have taken the 3 last night, given that there were some slightly better 3pt shooters on the floor.  But that also could partly be placed on Rondo (or even Ray and Paul for not getting open).

Or you could blaim Doc for not putting in an extra shooter. With Rondo and Big Baby on the floor together our options are quite limited - considering they had two of the best glue defenders, Tony Allen and Shane Battier, guarding our shooters. Big Babys shot could be the best chance, with a possible second chance after a rebound.

[FatjohnReturns]

Oh boy . He couldnt get the ball to Paul or Ray they were both being defended well.

Our starting point guard should have known better than to pass him the ball while he is standing outside of the three point line with time winding down on the shot clock.

Glen is our second best big man hands down. Stop being hyper critical please.

[Donoghus]

BBD was an integral part of '08 and we couldn't have made the Finals without him that year?  That's news to me.  

I mean, I don't mind the guy and all but let's not go hyperpolic over what he did his rookie year.

[Bankshot]

BBD was an integral part of '08 and we couldn't have made the Finals without him that year?  That's news to me.   

He was an integral part of the 08 regular season, but not in the Finals. 

[Fafnir]

BBD was an integral part of '08 and we couldn't have made the Finals without him that year?  That's news to me.   

He was an integral part of the 08 regular season, but not in the Finals. 

He played very little in the playoffs. He was our fifth big man after all.

[Donoghus]

BBD was an integral part of '08 and we couldn't have made the Finals without him that year?  That's news to me.   

He was an integral part of the 08 regular season, but not in the Finals. 

He played very little in the playoffs. He was our fifth big man after all.

Exactly.  Let's not overblow what BBD brought his rookie year.  Heck, Powe was more integral to this team in '08 than BBD.  I do think there is some revisionism going on when it comes to him.

[Spilling Green Dye]

BBD was an integral part of '08 and we couldn't have made the Finals without him that year?  That's news to me.   

He was an integral part of the 08 regular season, but not in the Finals. 

He played very little in the playoffs. He was our fifth big man after all.

You beat me to it.  Davis had no meaningful impact on the 2008 playoffs.

As far as last night's 3-pointer by him, I don't blame him at all.  First and foremost that was Doc's fault, and then Rondo's.  Then again, outside of setting a screen, why did Doc have Davis in there at all???  I'd rather have seen more than just Pierce & Ray on the court for 3-point shooting.  

Davis had a nice fake on the jumpshot, drive the lane, then dish to Green for the easy 2.  I'd love to see him do that more often versus shoot jumpers at 35% (worst on the team).  Use that big body down low!  We love to see that!