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Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #60 on: March 24, 2011, 12:35:30 PM »

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He looked far more athletic in the last two games.  I loved that dunk attempt.  I almost forgot he could do that, it's been so long.  He had some great rebounds and bounce passes.

But I agree with the poster who said it's kind of strange that he passes up open layups but seems to look for his own shot at wierd times.  Not sure what that is all about.  That "standing runner" at the end of last night's game was wierd.  He has also pounded the ball and taken a lot of long jumpers and threes in crunch time moments lately.  It's just strange that it's the same guy who doesn't want to take open layups sometimes.

Still, I'm glad he's on the way back and I've been happy with him the last few games.
Rondo's poor performance has nothing to do with the runner. In the middle of the second quarter, there was a prolonged period of time when we were down by 1, got stops on the defensive end, but were unable to make any headway because there we botched offensive possession after offensive possession. I thought Rondo was responsible for most of the offensive failure during that time, either by being too hasty or by dribbling the ball for 14 seconds before initiating anything.

  Rondo came in in the 2nd quarter with the Celts down 7. Ray hit a three to get them with 2 and then they had a shot clock violation but they scored on their next 5 possessions.
What does this have to do with the fact that he may have cost us the game with his bad decisions in the 4th?
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Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #61 on: March 24, 2011, 12:40:51 PM »

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I'll wait till after the playoffs to decide how I feel about rajon big game rondo

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #62 on: March 24, 2011, 12:42:41 PM »

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Ray was curling open on the last one where he stupidly gave the ball to BBD.
That play was designed for Pierce, who failed to get open. Ray wasn't even in the picture. Being able to get a shot out of it was actually pretty good.

I see. So Rondo is allowed to hand the ball off to BBD when the play was supposed to go to Pierce, but he's not allowed to hand it off to Ray when PP was covered?! That makes no sense at all. Ray started in the opposite corner, and when he saw PP wasn't open he rolled around the three point line towards the top. He was just as open as BBD was. I take a contested 3 from Ray any day over a contested (or wide open one for that matter) from BBD. If Rondo didn't like either option he should have called time out. Stupid decision making at its finest.

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #63 on: March 24, 2011, 12:42:57 PM »

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I've never seen rondo take anything off his attacks out of fear of the defense. I have however seen him stop fast breaks, and force passes on mismatched situations, in the pursuit of assists all season.

  People that don't like Rondo are going to see what they want to see. He plays hurt, according to KG and the globe and the herald but people here claim that the real reason is laziness or disinterest or even substance abuse. He sometimes passes when he should shoot (according to Doc) because he's trying to get his teammates going or keep them involved, but he's accused of somehow padding his stats. KG frequently overpasses and he's been faulted many times for being "too unselfish" and passing when Doc would rather he shoot. Is he, in reality, selfishly padding his stats at the expense of the team when he does this?

As for the pierce play at the end...you can see that he's already in the motion of spinning towards the baseline once his defender was off balance by the up fake. He didn't think the defender would be THAT off balance, or I'm sure he would've drawn the shooting foul. You can see his mind was already there, because he still threw the ball up after. Fact is, Rondo blew the play trying to pad his stats.

  He was in the shooting motion when they player left his feet and he pulled out of it. If you're going to go that far in trying to excuse what Paul did you should probably cut Rondo a little slack as well.


First, I'd like to say, that I DO like Rondo. I'm a defensive player myself, and am biased in favor of defense minded players as a fan. That said, I don't let my preference cloud my observations.

 Yes KG said he was playing hurt...Then Rajon and Doc said he's not. Sounds like KG was trying to be a good teammate and take some heat off his fellow player. Watching Rondo play, it doesn't look like he's hurt. The majority of his mistakes are either mental, or a result of his offensive shortcomings.  

If you're leading a break away with no one in front of you, and you do anything aside from take the shot/layup, you're making a mistake (with few exceptions related to clock management). You're not "trying to get your teammates going", when you're alone on a break.  That was just a boneheaded play.  If it was another player (especially an elite player), people would laugh it off, and carry on. The reason it becomes a talking point with Rondo, is because its just the latest (most blatant) example of a recurring issue. Rondo cant, and subsequently WONT shoot. Pointing to his 10 "attempts a game", doesn't counter that, because the vast majority of those attempted "shots", are layups, and the remaining attempts that are actual shots, often result in a collective face palm for Celts fans.

Returning to the Pierce play..He was NOT in a shooting motion. It was a fake from the start.  Unless Pierce suddenly started taking 3 pt shots with his feet planted on the ground, and a release completely dependent on arm motion to propel the ball, that was never going to be released. It was just an up fake, that sold more than expected.

I won't be cutting Rondo any slack anytime soon. I won't cut PP, or KG, or Ray any slack either, if they start playing like boneheads. I also won't be starting any threads on here calling for them to be traded.  I love all of them, and see them all as top 5 at their respective position. Along with that love, comes expectations, and I reserve the right to be downright brutal with my analysis, should they fail to meet mine.  ;D

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #64 on: March 24, 2011, 12:46:22 PM »

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I am pretty sure Doc said the play was designed for flairs for both Paul and Ray and if they were covered, which they were, then the next option was to drive for a quick 2.....not to pass to Baby for a contested 3.

Rondo is supposed to be the PG, floor general or the extension of the coach etc.

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #65 on: March 24, 2011, 12:56:16 PM »

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Ray was curling open on the last one where he stupidly gave the ball to BBD.
That play was designed for Pierce, who failed to get open. Ray wasn't even in the picture. Being able to get a shot out of it was actually pretty good.

Doc said on this morning that if the pass wasnt there Rondo was suppose to go to the rim.

He didnt. He put Baby in a really tough spot that is on rondo.

When the coach flat out says, the play was designed for PP and if the pass wasnt there the second option was to go to the rim for a quick 2 and the pg doesnt execute that is not a great sign.

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #66 on: March 24, 2011, 12:57:01 PM »

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I dont like Rondos game. I never have. He has had some great playoffs games and he is our boy so I try not to get on him too much.

Can someone please explain to me how after five years in the league he is a hitting a career % low on free throws. I mean seriously is there any reason besides stubborness, laziness?




Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #67 on: March 24, 2011, 01:07:16 PM »

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I dont like Rondos game. I never have. He has had some great playoffs games and he is our boy so I try not to get on him too much.

Can someone please explain to me how after five years in the league he is a hitting a career % low on free throws. I mean seriously is there any reason besides stubborness, laziness?


  He's not a great free throw shooter to begin with and he doesn't get to the line much so he never gets into a rhythm on them?

  Can you point to any quotes from players or coaches or insiders that Rondo's shooting woes stem from stubbornness or laziness?

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #68 on: March 24, 2011, 01:07:32 PM »

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Rondo needs the headband  :D

Personally I think that the Cs will end up with the 2nd seed and a worse record than LA, so at this stage health is the biggest priority

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2011, 01:18:43 PM »

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I dont like Rondos game. I never have. He has had some great playoffs games and he is our boy so I try not to get on him too much.

Can someone please explain to me how after five years in the league he is a hitting a career % low on free throws. I mean seriously is there any reason besides stubborness, laziness?


  He's not a great free throw shooter to begin with and he doesn't get to the line much so he never gets into a rhythm on them?

  Can you point to any quotes from players or coaches or insiders that Rondo's shooting woes stem from stubbornness or laziness?
No I cannot. I dont think coaches or teammates would undermine his confidence like that. Especially going outside the team to voice displeasure. We have seen how KG and the other vets feel about keeping things in house.

Can you give me any examples of how his game has gotten any better in the five years he has been a Celtic?

For whatever his reasons are its as simple as he doesnt put in the time to get better.

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2011, 01:23:02 PM »

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I dont like Rondos game. I never have. He has had some great playoffs games and he is our boy so I try not to get on him too much.

Can someone please explain to me how after five years in the league he is a hitting a career % low on free throws. I mean seriously is there any reason besides stubborness, laziness?


  He's not a great free throw shooter to begin with and he doesn't get to the line much so he never gets into a rhythm on them?

  Can you point to any quotes from players or coaches or insiders that Rondo's shooting woes stem from stubbornness or laziness?
No I cannot. I dont think coaches or teammates would undermine his confidence like that. Especially going outside the team to voice displeasure. We have seen how KG and the other vets feel about keeping things in house.

Can you give me any examples of how his game has gotten any better in the five years he has been a Celtic?

For whatever his reasons are its as simple as he doesnt put in the time to get better.


  You can't notice any difference in his game since his rookie year? Was he an all-star and a (arguably) top 3-5 point guard at the time? I'm speechless.

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #71 on: March 24, 2011, 01:34:47 PM »

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With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.







Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #72 on: March 24, 2011, 01:39:53 PM »

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With respect to Rondo. He is a better team player than he was as a rookie yes. He learned how to play within the team and learned how to play with the other starters.

Individual skills development no he hasnt grown much at all. There is no excuse for not being able to make free throws.








  No improvement at all to his passing, defending or ballhandling? And how many jumpers did he make then compared to now? Is he no better at getting to the rim?

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #73 on: March 24, 2011, 01:41:01 PM »

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He looked far more athletic in the last two games.  I loved that dunk attempt.  I almost forgot he could do that, it's been so long.  He had some great rebounds and bounce passes.

But I agree with the poster who said it's kind of strange that he passes up open layups but seems to look for his own shot at wierd times.  Not sure what that is all about.  That "standing runner" at the end of last night's game was wierd.  He has also pounded the ball and taken a lot of long jumpers and threes in crunch time moments lately.  It's just strange that it's the same guy who doesn't want to take open layups sometimes.

Still, I'm glad he's on the way back and I've been happy with him the last few games.
Rondo's poor performance has nothing to do with the runner. In the middle of the second quarter, there was a prolonged period of time when we were down by 1, got stops on the defensive end, but were unable to make any headway because there we botched offensive possession after offensive possession. I thought Rondo was responsible for most of the offensive failure during that time, either by being too hasty or by dribbling the ball for 14 seconds before initiating anything.

  Rondo came in in the 2nd quarter with the Celts down 7. Ray hit a three to get them with 2 and then they had a shot clock violation but they scored on their next 5 possessions.
What does this have to do with the fact that he may have cost us the game with his bad decisions in the 4th?

  So you criticize him for a stretch in the second quarter that seemingly never occurred and this is your response?

Re: So, everybody still in love with Rondo???
« Reply #74 on: March 24, 2011, 01:47:35 PM »

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I've never seen rondo take anything off his attacks out of fear of the defense. I have however seen him stop fast breaks, and force passes on mismatched situations, in the pursuit of assists all season.

  People that don't like Rondo are going to see what they want to see. He plays hurt, according to KG and the globe and the herald but people here claim that the real reason is laziness or disinterest or even substance abuse. He sometimes passes when he should shoot (according to Doc) because he's trying to get his teammates going or keep them involved, but he's accused of somehow padding his stats. KG frequently overpasses and he's been faulted many times for being "too unselfish" and passing when Doc would rather he shoot. Is he, in reality, selfishly padding his stats at the expense of the team when he does this?

As for the pierce play at the end...you can see that he's already in the motion of spinning towards the baseline once his defender was off balance by the up fake. He didn't think the defender would be THAT off balance, or I'm sure he would've drawn the shooting foul. You can see his mind was already there, because he still threw the ball up after. Fact is, Rondo blew the play trying to pad his stats.

  He was in the shooting motion when they player left his feet and he pulled out of it. If you're going to go that far in trying to excuse what Paul did you should probably cut Rondo a little slack as well.


First, I'd like to say, that I DO like Rondo. I'm a defensive player myself, and am biased in favor of defense minded players as a fan. That said, I don't let my preference cloud my observations.

 Yes KG said he was playing hurt...Then Rajon and Doc said he's not. Sounds like KG was trying to be a good teammate and take some heat off his fellow player. Watching Rondo play, it doesn't look like he's hurt. The majority of his mistakes are either mental, or a result of his offensive shortcomings.  

If you're leading a break away with no one in front of you, and you do anything aside from take the shot/layup, you're making a mistake (with few exceptions related to clock management). You're not "trying to get your teammates going", when you're alone on a break.  That was just a boneheaded play.  If it was another player (especially an elite player), people would laugh it off, and carry on. The reason it becomes a talking point with Rondo, is because its just the latest (most blatant) example of a recurring issue. Rondo cant, and subsequently WONT shoot. Pointing to his 10 "attempts a game", doesn't counter that, because the vast majority of those attempted "shots", are layups, and the remaining attempts that are actual shots, often result in a collective face palm for Celts fans.

Returning to the Pierce play..He was NOT in a shooting motion. It was a fake from the start.  Unless Pierce suddenly started taking 3 pt shots with his feet planted on the ground, and a release completely dependent on arm motion to propel the ball, that was never going to be released. It was just an up fake, that sold more than expected.

I won't be cutting Rondo any slack anytime soon. I won't cut PP, or KG, or Ray any slack either, if they start playing like boneheads. I also won't be starting any threads on here calling for them to be traded.  I love all of them, and see them all as top 5 at their respective position. Along with that love, comes expectations, and I reserve the right to be downright brutal with my analysis, should they fail to meet mine.  ;D

  I don't think dribbling towards the hoop with a leaper hot on your heels would meet anybodies criteria of a breakaway, unless it's celticsblog and Rondo with the ball. And with PP, get serious. The guy's in a shooting position when someone jumps at him and pulls out of that position before drawing contact, thus missing out on three freebies. Yeah, you don't cut him any slack at all.