Krstic is being overrated

[Roy H.]

Eh, I don't think there are that many people overrating him.  He is awesome. 

True, calling a mediocre center "awesome" isn't overrating him at all.

[KevinConnor]

Strange how a lot of people on this blog are so concerned about Krstic rebounding. Especially compared to Perkins rebounding.

Strange how a lot of people on this blog can't acknowledge any of Krstic's weaknesses without a knee jerk reaction where they have to defend Danny's trade.

This thread isn't a rehash of the trade.  It's a discussion of Krstic as a player, and how a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of him, while further pointing out how important it is to get Shaq and JO back.

I mean, seriously, the guy is only slightly better than Ray Allen as a defensive rebounder so far.  I think that's a legit thing to point out.

The importance of getting Shaq an/or JO was just as big when Perkins was still around. Talking about how bad a defensive rebounder Krstic is can't be separated from the Celtics defensive rebounding as a team. And I think we will be a better defensive rebounding team this year in the playoffs than last year due to a healthier KG and probably Murphy.

I simply put his defensive rebounding in perspective to what we had before "The Trade" and last year.

[barefacedmonk]

Eh, I don't think there are that many people overrating him.  He is awesome. 

True, calling a mediocre center "awesome" isn't overrating him at all.

Haha

[BballTim]

Eh, I don't think there are that many people overrating him.  He is awesome. 

True, calling a mediocre center "awesome" isn't overrating him at all.

  I agree with what you're saying about his defense but I don't think he's the *worst* 5th best starter on a contending team.

[wdleehi]

Strange how a lot of people on this blog are so concerned about Krstic rebounding. Especially compared to Perkins rebounding.

Strange how a lot of people on this blog can't acknowledge any of Krstic's weaknesses without a knee jerk reaction where they have to defend Danny's trade.

This thread isn't a rehash of the trade.  It's a discussion of Krstic as a player, and how a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of him, while further pointing out how important it is to get Shaq and JO back.

I mean, seriously, the guy is only slightly better than Ray Allen as a defensive rebounder so far.  I think that's a legit thing to point out.

shouldnt his defensive rebounding numbers be lower than perk's by design? Perk offered nothing to the team other than stayin down low and waiting for a rebound. Maybe krstic doesnt get as many because he's so useful outside the paint?

idk, I def agree with you for the most part Roy, but I think it's partially by design as well. I also think he'll get better.

Except that Perk is a better pick and roll defender then Krstic.


Plus, the Celtics defensive system doesn't allow for guys to just camp out down low on defense.  To much movement. 

[Roy H.]

Strange how a lot of people on this blog are so concerned about Krstic rebounding. Especially compared to Perkins rebounding.

Strange how a lot of people on this blog can't acknowledge any of Krstic's weaknesses without a knee jerk reaction where they have to defend Danny's trade.

This thread isn't a rehash of the trade.  It's a discussion of Krstic as a player, and how a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of him, while further pointing out how important it is to get Shaq and JO back.

I mean, seriously, the guy is only slightly better than Ray Allen as a defensive rebounder so far.  I think that's a legit thing to point out.

shouldnt his defensive rebounding numbers be lower than perk's by design? Perk offered nothing to the team other than stayin down low and waiting for a rebound. Maybe krstic doesnt get as many because he's so useful outside the paint?

idk, I def agree with you for the most part Roy, but I think it's partially by design as well. I also think he'll get better.

Your argument makes sense for offensive rebounds, but I'm talking specifically about defensive rebounds.  I don't think Doc is asking Krstic to roam outside on defense; his primary job is still to defend the paint.

Also, he should get better, but he's never going to be even an average rebounder.  It's a weakness.  I think some fans are concentrating too much on the offense, and are disregarding the things Krstic does at a poor level.   

[CelticG1]

If what we are worried about is a couple rebounds that he doesn't grab and average defense I think we are in pretty good shape. He was the starting center on a team that did the 2nd best job against the Lakers last year too.

This seems like it should another thread about Shaq and JO's importance, not Krstic being overrated (which I don't think is happening at all). There have been worse starting centers to have won championships including Perk from 08

[Roy H.]

If what we are worried about is a couple rebounds that he doesn't grab and average defense I think we are in pretty good shape. He was the starting center on a team that did the 2nd best job against the Lakers last year too.

This seems like it should another thread about Shaq and JO's importance, not Krstic being overrated (which I don't think is happening at all). There have been worse starting centers to have won championships including Perk from 08

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're vastly underrating the importance of both rebounding and defense.

[soap07]

Roy, would it be fair to call Krstic an average center? His career PER is 13.6, right around league average. His career dRTG is 106, which is not terrible. I think that would be properly rating him.

[Megatron]

Krstic isnt beng overrated, hes just turned out better then most people though he would.

Kristic is a better overall player then Perkins, thats just the truth.

Perkins only talent is defense, and even then he isnt a shot blocker because he doesent have athleticism.

If anyone is overrated its Perkins.

[wdleehi]

Krstic isnt beng overrated, hes just turned out better then most people though he would.

Kristic is a better overall player then Perkins, thats just the truth.

Perkins only talent is defense, and even then he isnt a shot blocker because he doesent have athleticism.

If anyone is overrated its Perkins.

That's why the team that had Krstic multiple seasons gave up Green and a 1st along with Krstic to get Perk. 

[Roy H.]

Roy, would it be fair to call Krstic an average center? His career PER is 13.6, right around league average. His career dRTG is 106, which is not terrible. I think that would be properly rating him.

Average center, yes.  Below average starting center, pretty good backup center, excellent third string center.

In terms of individual attributes, I'd say he's a good shooter, an average-to-slightly-below average scorer in the post, a terrible rebounder, and an average-to-slightly-below average defender.

[Roy H.]

Krstic isnt beng overrated, hes just turned out better then most people though he would.

Kristic is a better overall player then Perkins, thats just the truth.

Perkins only talent is defense, and even then he isnt a shot blocker because he doesent have athleticism.

If anyone is overrated its Perkins.

That's why the team that had Krstic multiple seasons gave up Green and a 1st along with Krstic to get Perk. 

Maybe the Thunder were hoping for a really big tax deduction for charitable contributions this year?

[barefacedmonk]

Krstic isnt beng overrated, hes just turned out better then most people though he would.

Kristic is a better overall player then Perkins, thats just the truth.

Perkins only talent is defense, and even then he isnt a shot blocker because he doesent have athleticism.

If anyone is overrated its Perkins.

Ahem..

The trade has destroyed this team.

3) Shaq and JO both will never be healthy at the same time and available.
4) Our defense took a huge hit that we wont be able to replace.
7) Teams can bully us in the paint and are not afraid of us anymore.

Stick a fork in this team, they are done.
We had everything going until Danny decided to blow it up.

Feel free to quote this post in the future if the C's win it all, but that is pretty much impossible now.



Are we really going to win with this guy?

[CelticG1]

If what we are worried about is a couple rebounds that he doesn't grab and average defense I think we are in pretty good shape. He was the starting center on a team that did the 2nd best job against the Lakers last year too.

This seems like it should another thread about Shaq and JO's importance, not Krstic being overrated (which I don't think is happening at all). There have been worse starting centers to have won championships including Perk from 08

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're vastly underrating the importance of both rebounding and defense.

I think we improved our rebounding. We picked up Troy Murphy one of the best defensive rebounder's in the league the past couple years. We also improved our offense pretty dramatically. The defense is not as good but it will still be up there. We have the best defensive PF and best defensive PG in the league. We also have the leading charge taker in the league. Most importantly though we have the best team defense.

Perk played 25 minutes a game in the playoffs last year with 5 ppg and 6 rpg. I don't think it is overrating Krstic to think that he can't duplicate a good portion of what Perk brought. Although I value defense more than offense I think having a better offensive center at least helps a little to negate the defensive side