Krstic is being overrated

[winsomme]

So, while it is certainly a downgrade, I think it is negated a bit by the better perimeter rebounding.  

And his offensiv game negates what Perk brought too.  Though I still think a healthy Perk is a better center and what he brings to the game (defense) is much more important than what Kristic brings.

I do like seeing a center that has some offensive game on the C's again for once, but we need at least Shaq for the playoffs if we are going to get the title.

which I believe is why Danny said himself that we could be in trouble if Shaq and JO aren't back for the playoffs.

and honestly, we need them both because Shaq is a foul machine and is going to pick up a ton of fouls against Howard, Rose, LeBron, Wade, etc...he's gonna have games where he picks of 3 fouls in the first quarter.

[Celtics4ever]

He is what he is folks.  He has never been a dominant rebounder and will never will be.  He brings different things to the table than Perk who was a better defender and rebounder.  But Perk was not a dominant rebounder either, he was servicable and that is it.

It is harder to rebound in the high post.  It's also hard to rebound when your system forces you to get back to be on D.  We really don't put a high priority on boards as a team.  Our priority is on transition defense.

[Fafnir]

So, while it is certainly a downgrade, I think it is negated a bit by the better perimeter rebounding.  

And his offensiv game negates what Perk brought too.  Though I still think a healthy Perk is a better center and what he brings to the game (defense) is much more important than what Kristic brings.

I do like seeing a center that has some offensive game on the C's again for once, but we need at least Shaq for the playoffs if we are going to get the title.

which I believe is why Danny said himself that we could be in trouble if Shaq and JO aren't back for the playoffs.

and honestly, we need them both because Shaq is a foul machine and is going to pick up a ton of fouls against Howard, Rose, LeBron, Wade, etc...he's gonna have games where he picks of 3 fouls in the first quarter.

Honestly that's fine by me, I mean he can't go much longer than 20 minutes a game anyways. So foul rate for Shaq isn't really a concern for me, we'll need someone else to play no matter what.

[winsomme]

Eh, I don't think there are that many people overrating him.  He is awesome. 

True, calling a mediocre center "awesome" isn't overrating him at all.

  I agree with what you're saying about his defense but I don't think he's the *worst* 5th best starter on a contending team.

just what you need to win a Title...

[Megatron]

Krstic isnt beng overrated, hes just turned out better then most people though he would.

Kristic is a better overall player then Perkins, thats just the truth.

Perkins only talent is defense, and even then he isnt a shot blocker because he doesent have athleticism.

If anyone is overrated its Perkins.

Ahem..

The trade has destroyed this team.

3) Shaq and JO both will never be healthy at the same time and available.
4) Our defense took a huge hit that we wont be able to replace.
7) Teams can bully us in the paint and are not afraid of us anymore.

Stick a fork in this team, they are done.
We had everything going until Danny decided to blow it up.

Feel free to quote this post in the future if the C's win it all, but that is pretty much impossible now.



Are we really going to win with this guy?

****! I was overreacting thats for sure.

[Greenbean]

Krstic isnt beng overrated, hes just turned out better then most people though he would.

Kristic is a better overall player then Perkins, thats just the truth.

Perkins only talent is defense, and even then he isnt a shot blocker because he doesent have athleticism.

If anyone is overrated its Perkins.

Ahem..

The trade has destroyed this team.

3) Shaq and JO both will never be healthy at the same time and available.
4) Our defense took a huge hit that we wont be able to replace.
7) Teams can bully us in the paint and are not afraid of us anymore.

Stick a fork in this team, they are done.
We had everything going until Danny decided to blow it up.

Feel free to quote this post in the future if the C's win it all, but that is pretty much impossible now.



Are we really going to win with this guy?

****! I was overreacting thats for sure.

TPs to the both of you!

[winsomme]

So, while it is certainly a downgrade, I think it is negated a bit by the better perimeter rebounding.  

And his offensiv game negates what Perk brought too.  Though I still think a healthy Perk is a better center and what he brings to the game (defense) is much more important than what Kristic brings.

I do like seeing a center that has some offensive game on the C's again for once, but we need at least Shaq for the playoffs if we are going to get the title.

which I believe is why Danny said himself that we could be in trouble if Shaq and JO aren't back for the playoffs.

and honestly, we need them both because Shaq is a foul machine and is going to pick up a ton of fouls against Howard, Rose, LeBron, Wade, etc...he's gonna have games where he picks of 3 fouls in the first quarter.

Honestly that's fine by me, I mean he can't go much longer than 20 minutes a game anyways. So foul rate for Shaq isn't really a concern for me, we'll need someone else to play no matter what.

which is why we need both back...

[Las Vegas Asian]

Roy, would it be fair to call Krstic an average center? His career PER is 13.6, right around league average. His career dRTG is 106, which is not terrible. I think that would be properly rating him.

Average center, yes.  Below average starting center, pretty good backup center, excellent third string center.

Doesn't that pretty much describe Perkins as well? I think we overrate Perk as well just because he was the starting center when we won in '08. Put in a number of starting centers from around the league and the end result would probably be the same.

[CelticG1]

So, while it is certainly a downgrade, I think it is negated a bit by the better perimeter rebounding.  

And his offensiv game negates what Perk brought too.  Though I still think a healthy Perk is a better center and what he brings to the game (defense) is much more important than what Kristic brings.

I do like seeing a center that has some offensive game on the C's again for once, but we need at least Shaq for the playoffs if we are going to get the title.

which I believe is why Danny said himself that we could be in trouble if Shaq and JO aren't back for the playoffs.

and honestly, we need them both because Shaq is a foul machine and is going to pick up a ton of fouls against Howard, Rose, LeBron, Wade, etc...he's gonna have games where he picks of 3 fouls in the first quarter.

Honestly that's fine by me, I mean he can't go much longer than 20 minutes a game anyways. So foul rate for Shaq isn't really a concern for me, we'll need someone else to play no matter what.

which is why we need both back...

Rasheed was a fouling machine last year too and we were fine

[IrishGreen]

I think they under-rated him at OKC. So much of the play ran through Durant and Westbrook there.

He has a mean hook in the post, and although he's not 'that' mobile in pick and roll situations, when he does pop in the roll, his jumper is solid. There are very few centers that can shoot from 15ft like him.

Defensively there is huge room from improvement. However I've seen massive steps forwards since his first game with us. He understands the rotation better now but he needs to box out more often rather than to go for stupid rebounds, in the hope that more agile players will pick up the lose ball.

He'll be great off the bench, especially when Howard gets tired with the physical aspect of Shaq on the offensive end in the post, and then has to deal with closing out mark Kristic, where he can either shoot or pass off to Rondo/Allen/Pierce who can find the player cutting to the open lane.

[Roy H.]

Roy, would it be fair to call Krstic an average center? His career PER is 13.6, right around league average. His career dRTG is 106, which is not terrible. I think that would be properly rating him.

Average center, yes.  Below average starting center, pretty good backup center, excellent third string center.

Doesn't that pretty much describe Perkins as well? I think we overrate Perk as well just because he was the starting center when we won in '08. Put in a number of starting centers from around the league and the end result would probably be the same.

I would rate Perk as an average starting center who fit our team concept at a well above-average level.

I understand why people like Krstic, but there's a pretty healthy gap between his value and Perk's value.  That gap has been judged by a pretty good GM (Sam Presti) to be worth Jeff Green and a #1 pick. 

[winsomme]

So, while it is certainly a downgrade, I think it is negated a bit by the better perimeter rebounding.  

And his offensiv game negates what Perk brought too.  Though I still think a healthy Perk is a better center and what he brings to the game (defense) is much more important than what Kristic brings.

I do like seeing a center that has some offensive game on the C's again for once, but we need at least Shaq for the playoffs if we are going to get the title.

which I believe is why Danny said himself that we could be in trouble if Shaq and JO aren't back for the playoffs.

and honestly, we need them both because Shaq is a foul machine and is going to pick up a ton of fouls against Howard, Rose, LeBron, Wade, etc...he's gonna have games where he picks of 3 fouls in the first quarter.

Honestly that's fine by me, I mean he can't go much longer than 20 minutes a game anyways. So foul rate for Shaq isn't really a concern for me, we'll need someone else to play no matter what.

which is why we need both back...

Rasheed was a fouling machine last year too and we were fine

until we lost Perk...

[wdleehi]

Roy, would it be fair to call Krstic an average center? His career PER is 13.6, right around league average. His career dRTG is 106, which is not terrible. I think that would be properly rating him.

Average center, yes.  Below average starting center, pretty good backup center, excellent third string center.

Doesn't that pretty much describe Perkins as well? I think we overrate Perk as well just because he was the starting center when we won in '08. Put in a number of starting centers from around the league and the end result would probably be the same.

No.  Perkins plays elite level low post defense.  He is an above average rebounded.  Offensively (where he was the 5th option on the floor) he was below average, but still was near the top in terms of FG %.  


Krstic is an above average scorer at the C position, but below average in everything else.  And as the 5th option on the floor, that's not as important.  


He is a useful extra big man.  

But I want to see him as that in the playoff, extra big man.  With 5 healthy options ahead of him.  

[Dunn]

I think fans are projecting he'll start to grab defensive rebounds sometime soon, but yeah Krstic is not winning me over with his defense either. I would rather always have a defensive presence in the middle making players regret driving in the lane. I don't think fans even care that a 6'7" Brockman, Krstic's man was not only outrebounding him but was undersized enough for him to get perfect looks. Plain and simple, if you don't grab defensive rebounds you are wasting your time playing defense. I can care less how offensively great you look, if you don't provide help to the 3 near hall of famers already capable of scoring points. If Rondo does his job defensively, should I be mad at him when Krstic allows Brockman an offensive rebound so Jennings gets another, even better open shot? Happened a few times, but blame Rondo right? Ohh how quickly they forget how we lost last year's Finals? Our fans can undervalue everything Perk ever did here, whatever, as long as this team squeaks by wins, they can care less the work it took to win.

[wdleehi]

I think they under-rated him at OKC. So much of the play ran through Durant and Westbrook there.

He has a mean hook in the post, and although he's not 'that' mobile in pick and roll situations, when he does pop in the roll, his jumper is solid. There are very few centers that can shoot from 15ft like him.

Defensively there is huge room from improvement. However I've seen massive steps forwards since his first game with us. He understands the rotation better now but he needs to box out more often rather than to go for stupid rebounds, in the hope that more agile players will pick up the lose ball.

He'll be great off the bench, especially when Howard gets tired with the physical aspect of Shaq on the offensive end in the post, and then has to deal with closing out mark Kristic, where he can either shoot or pass off to Rondo/Allen/Pierce who can find the player cutting to the open lane.

Did they need their C to be an above average offensive threat (with the other weapons they had) or a guy that does the dirty work?