What's Jeff Green Worth?

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It is tough to say not knowing the new CBA.  But if we were working under the old CBA, I think he would be in line for a deal similar to Marvin Williams' ($7-9 million per year).

Amazing to me that Jeff Green is worth $7-9 million per year. Just amazing.

Agreed -- he hasn't shown enough to be worth that yet ... but I think that is whereabouts he'll be at due to his reputation.

you forget though, this league is about potential. green is going to get 7-8 mill a year, either here or somewhere else.

[mgent]

With Pierce on the roster:  not worth the cap space.

I find all the posts about Green being the future hilarious.  We weren't gonna sign Perk what makes people think we're gonna mess up our 2012 free agency for this kid?

Pierce is 32, he's certainly not the future at this point. Green is 24, he's athletic and can run with Rondo. And newsflash, we're gonna need pieces in place to lure a big free agent in 2012 other than just Rondo.

Also, the main reason we weren't gonna sign Perk is because Danny's targeting Dwight Howard - a center - in 2012.

I don't think Jeff Green is talented enough to sway anyone into signing here.

(my expectations are for him to be a 12-14ppg scorer at SF with above average defense and solid rebounding)

AKA Paul Pierce.

Are you saying Green is the next Paul Pierce?

No I'm saying why use cap space on Green when we've already got Pierce who brings the same things to the table if not more, at the same position?

[mgent]

With Pierce on the roster:  not worth the cap space.

I find all the posts about Green being the future hilarious.  We weren't gonna sign Perk what makes people think we're gonna mess up our 2012 free agency for this kid?

Pierce is 32, he's certainly not the future at this point. Green is 24, he's athletic and can run with Rondo. And newsflash, we're gonna need pieces in place to lure a big free agent in 2012 other than just Rondo.

Also, the main reason we weren't gonna sign Perk is because Danny's targeting Dwight Howard - a center - in 2012.

I don't think Jeff Green is talented enough to sway anyone into signing here.

(my expectations are for him to be a 12-14ppg scorer at SF with above average defense and solid rebounding)

AKA Paul Pierce.

Pierce scores 12-14 ppg?

In 2-3 years probably.  Maybe a couple more, but I can't see him really scoring more than 16ppg when he's 35.

[RJ87]

With Pierce on the roster:  not worth the cap space.

I find all the posts about Green being the future hilarious.  We weren't gonna sign Perk what makes people think we're gonna mess up our 2012 free agency for this kid?

Pierce is 32, he's certainly not the future at this point. Green is 24, he's athletic and can run with Rondo. And newsflash, we're gonna need pieces in place to lure a big free agent in 2012 other than just Rondo.

Also, the main reason we weren't gonna sign Perk is because Danny's targeting Dwight Howard - a center - in 2012.

I don't think Jeff Green is talented enough to sway anyone into signing here.

(my expectations are for him to be a 12-14ppg scorer at SF with above average defense and solid rebounding)

AKA Paul Pierce.

Are you saying Green is the next Paul Pierce?

No I'm saying why use cap space on Green when we've already got Pierce who brings the same things to the table if not more, at the same position?

I've already said it, but maybe I should point it out again: Pierce is 32 and can't play forever. Rondo is 25 and the centerpiece of our future, Green is 24 and was brought here to compliment that future. This trade was just as much about right now as it is the future. Whether fans like it or not, it's clear that Ainge brought in Green to be Pierce's current backup and heir apparent.

[Jon]

Here's the thing people are overlooking.  Green may be worth 7-9 million after putting up the numbers he put up in OKC; however, what's going to happen when his numbers inevitably drop here?  

And I'm not talking about a bad drop; I'm talking about the inevitable drop that is going to occur with him playing 25 minutes per game or less, rather than his customary 37 mpg her was playing in OKC (and yes, he played 37 mpg).  

Let's face it, this is a numbers driven league.  And this year if we have Brewer at the 2 and Murphy and Baby at the 4, Green may not see a ton of minutes anywhere besides backing up Pierce, which could leave him with 15 mpg (or much less).  And if that's the case, it may dramatically drive down his value and allow us to sign him for fairly cheaply  

And quite frankly, I think that might've been one of Danny's motivating factors.  Bring in a guy with All Star potential who doesn't complain.  Put him in a position where he can learn from all time greats while simultaneously cutting his numbers.  Sign him to a cheap extension.  Let vets retire and have him blow up as a star for little money, thus leaving us with money to pursue a big time star.  

[rondohondo]

Here's the thing people are overlooking.  Green may be worth 7-9 million after putting up the numbers he put up in OKC; however, what's going to happen when his numbers inevitably drop here?  

And I'm not talking about a bad drop; I'm talking about the inevitable drop that is going to occur with him playing 25 minutes per game or less, rather than his customary 37 mpg her was playing in OKC (and yes, he played 37 mpg).  

Let's face it, this is a numbers driven league.  And this year if we have Brewer at the 2 and Murphy and Baby at the 4, Green may not see a ton of minutes anywhere besides backing up Pierce, which could leave him with 15 mpg (or much less).  And if that's the case, it may dramatically drive down his value and allow us to sign him for fairly cheaply  

And quite frankly, I think that might've been one of Danny's motivating factors.  Bring in a guy with All Star potential who doesn't complain.  Put him in a position where he can learn from all time greats while simultaneously cutting his numbers.  Sign him to a cheap extension.  Let vets retire and have him blow up as a star for little money, thus leaving us with money to pursue a big time star.  

TP great point

[RJ87]

Here's the thing people are overlooking.  Green may be worth 7-9 million after putting up the numbers he put up in OKC; however, what's going to happen when his numbers inevitably drop here?  

And I'm not talking about a bad drop; I'm talking about the inevitable drop that is going to occur with him playing 25 minutes per game or less, rather than his customary 37 mpg her was playing in OKC (and yes, he played 37 mpg).  

Let's face it, this is a numbers driven league.  And this year if we have Brewer at the 2 and Murphy and Baby at the 4, Green may not see a ton of minutes anywhere besides backing up Pierce, which could leave him with 15 mpg (or much less).  And if that's the case, it may dramatically drive down his value and allow us to sign him for fairly cheaply  

And quite frankly, I think that might've been one of Danny's motivating factors.  Bring in a guy with All Star potential who doesn't complain.  Put him in a position where he can learn from all time greats while simultaneously cutting his numbers.  Sign him to a cheap extension.  Let vets retire and have him blow up as a star for little money, thus leaving us with money to pursue a big time star.  

TP.

[guava_wrench]

With Pierce on the roster:  not worth the cap space.

I find all the posts about Green being the future hilarious.  We weren't gonna sign Perk what makes people think we're gonna mess up our 2012 free agency for this kid?

Then trade Pierce after next season. Better to spend the money on Green in his prime than to watch Pierce fade into oblivion.

And how are we messing up 'free agency' if we stockpile talent that can be used in a sign and trade -- which might be needed if the rules remain regarding the extra money you can get re-singing with your team.

[Who]

Here's the thing people are overlooking.  Green may be worth 7-9 million after putting up the numbers he put up in OKC; however, what's going to happen when his numbers inevitably drop here? 

And I'm not talking about a bad drop; I'm talking about the inevitable drop that is going to occur with him playing 25 minutes per game or less, rather than his customary 37 mpg her was playing in OKC (and yes, he played 37 mpg). 

Let's face it, this is a numbers driven league.  And this year if we have Brewer at the 2 and Murphy and Baby at the 4, Green may not see a ton of minutes anywhere besides backing up Pierce, which could leave him with 15 mpg (or much less).  And if that's the case, it may dramatically drive down his value and allow us to sign him for fairly cheaply   

I don't think 30 games and a playoff run will undo the reputation he has built for himself over the past three and a half years.

If he was here for a full season, maybe ... Although, I'd still expect him to get MLE money ($32-33mil over 5 years) in that scenario.

[mgent]

With Pierce on the roster:  not worth the cap space.

I find all the posts about Green being the future hilarious.  We weren't gonna sign Perk what makes people think we're gonna mess up our 2012 free agency for this kid?

Pierce is 32, he's certainly not the future at this point. Green is 24, he's athletic and can run with Rondo. And newsflash, we're gonna need pieces in place to lure a big free agent in 2012 other than just Rondo.

Also, the main reason we weren't gonna sign Perk is because Danny's targeting Dwight Howard - a center - in 2012.

I don't think Jeff Green is talented enough to sway anyone into signing here.

(my expectations are for him to be a 12-14ppg scorer at SF with above average defense and solid rebounding)

AKA Paul Pierce.

Are you saying Green is the next Paul Pierce?

No I'm saying why use cap space on Green when we've already got Pierce who brings the same things to the table if not more, at the same position?

I've already said it, but maybe I should point it out again: Pierce is 32 and can't play forever. Rondo is 25 and the centerpiece of our future, Green is 24 and was brought here to compliment that future. This trade was just as much about right now as it is the future. Whether fans like it or not, it's clear that Ainge brought in Green to be Pierce's current backup and heir apparent.

What makes you think that is clear?  We have no reason to believe Danny will do anything beyond giving him the QO.

Personally I think it's clear that we have 3 positions to fill and spending 8+mil on a backup just because he is young and a closer age to Rondo is a dumb idea when Danny has worked hard to keep our cap space fully intact.  Especially when Pierce is perfectly capable of starting at SF on a championship team for at least a few more years.  If he was as old and washed up as you think Danny wouldn't have dished out the money to secure his future here.

[pearljammer10]

Hopefully Howard if we put Green alongside a bunch of draft picks.

[gar]

Jeff Green is the ideal kind of player to have. With his size age and ability. He has been able to mature in the shadow of Durant; but don't think that anyone really knows what his limit is at this point. Not sure he has that killer instinct; but he has some good role models here in Bean town and should flourish.

[RJ87]

With Pierce on the roster:  not worth the cap space.

I find all the posts about Green being the future hilarious.  We weren't gonna sign Perk what makes people think we're gonna mess up our 2012 free agency for this kid?

Pierce is 32, he's certainly not the future at this point. Green is 24, he's athletic and can run with Rondo. And newsflash, we're gonna need pieces in place to lure a big free agent in 2012 other than just Rondo.

Also, the main reason we weren't gonna sign Perk is because Danny's targeting Dwight Howard - a center - in 2012.

I don't think Jeff Green is talented enough to sway anyone into signing here.

(my expectations are for him to be a 12-14ppg scorer at SF with above average defense and solid rebounding)

AKA Paul Pierce.

Are you saying Green is the next Paul Pierce?

No I'm saying why use cap space on Green when we've already got Pierce who brings the same things to the table if not more, at the same position?

I've already said it, but maybe I should point it out again: Pierce is 32 and can't play forever. Rondo is 25 and the centerpiece of our future, Green is 24 and was brought here to compliment that future. This trade was just as much about right now as it is the future. Whether fans like it or not, it's clear that Ainge brought in Green to be Pierce's current backup and heir apparent.

What makes you think that is clear?  We have no reason to believe Danny will do anything beyond giving him the QO.

Personally I think it's clear that we have 3 positions to fill and spending 8+mil on a backup just because he is young and a closer age to Rondo is a dumb idea when Danny has worked hard to keep our cap space fully intact.  Especially when Pierce is perfectly capable of starting at SF on a championship team for at least a few more years.  If he was as old and washed up as you think Danny wouldn't have dished out the money to secure his future here.

I never said Pierce was "old and washed up". Don't put words in my mouth.

I really doubt DA resigned Pierce because he thinks he's gonna be a key part of the team when we make the transition the Rondo Era. Pierce will eventually become a 6th man - an expensive 6th man, but a 6th man nonetheless. As many other posters have stated, Green is exactly the piece you want to bring in to compliment Rondo down the line - young, athletic, potential-filled.

[Celtics4ever]

If the big three win it this year, KG and PP might decide to go out a winner who knows. ( I hope not but if there is a labor stoppage who knows?)  Green is a nice insurance plan.

[Jon]

If the big three win it this year, KG and PP might decide to go out a winner who knows. ( I hope not but if there is a labor stoppage who knows?)  Green is a nice insurance plan.

No way that they retire after winning a title.  KG has about 20 million coming to him next year and PP has about 48 million over the next 3 years.  And money aside, why would they retire when they could come back for #19?  

A third title for them would elevate them from Hall of Famers into the discussion of all time greats.