Trade Bad for Thunder

[barefacedmonk]

I love Perk. My heart sunk when I heard he was traded. Still, as hard as it is one has to seperate the heart from the head when thinking on a basketball level about the trade. Heart? I hate it. Head? It makes sense given where this season is. Perk has been out most the year and the team hasn't suffered. Not even defensively all that much. Offensively Perk can be a liability. Quise going down opened up a huge hole in the C's needs, a hole Green fills. He saves PP minutes and he can play solid D (and pass well). Perk out in game 7 hurt the C's. Riding the starters big minutes to the point that they wore out hurt even more. These moves look to counter that latter point. Would we have one game 7 with Perk? Perhaps. But it wouldn't change PP et all being wiped out, missing makeable shots  which was a bigger factor. Anyways, I feel ya but just a little bit of perspective. And no one here is bashing Perk. I am sure to a (wo)man everyone here loves Perk dearly as I certainly do. Pointing out on an on the floor level how this trade works for The C's isn't bashing Perk.

I hope you guys are right. If we don't win it this year, I don't see us winning a championship for sometime. We will be team that's going to need to rebuild soon. IMO, Krstic is not the center that we needed. I'm very happy with Jeff Green's acquisition...and I hope I'm wrong about Krstic. Nothing much we can do now anyway.

[barefacedmonk]

today is overrate perk underrate nenad Perk day

[lon3lytoaster]

Perk wasn't there to clog up the lane in game 7 last season...I wonder why Rondo wasn't able to penetrate and give us those 5 points we needed to win the championship. We had Rasheed Wallace - a center who could "stretch" the floor- and BBD who has a reliable mid-range jumper...but I wonder how that worked out for us.

Perk was made to be the scapegoat for Rondo's inconsistent jumper.

Shaq who is also known as the center who "clogs" up the lane has won 4 rings...but I guess some of us just don't know how important it is to have a center who can stretch the floor.

Welcome aboard Mr. Krstic!

I'm not buying it either.

As much as I love ShaQ, his age hasn't changed (39). Does Ainge have some Hot-Tub time machine that we don't know of?  You lose rebounding, Defense, and intangibles (Chemistry, Leadership, Toughness...). That was the recipe to defeating the Heat & matching up withe the Lakers. Dominate the paint with our Bigs & Rondo to wreck-Havoc. Now What? Kill them softly with easy lanes to the hoop. Lebrick and Wade licking their chops to go against Nenad and ShaQ. ***** Party at the basket.

Having Perk, or not having Perk isn't going to make or break the Celtics defense. We've still been an outstanding defensive team without Perkins all season long. Our roster is still layered with veterans who have made team defense their hallmark. That's what we're built on, team defense. We'll continue to do what we do, regardless.

A lot of people doubted our defensive sets would be any good without Tom Thibedeau calling them out. That's been dismissed. The same will almost certainly happen when we move on past the Perkins era.

And guys.. We just picked up the most talented young SF we've had since Paul Pierce was still getting his feet wet. Jeff Green is a more than capable player and while the loss of Perkins hurts, we should all be excited to be adding him.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

Thunder got crushed by an underachieving Magic team today. I think they might miss green more than people think. Good sign for us.

[MattG12]

Thunder got crushed by an underachieving Magic team today. I think they might miss green more than people think. Good sign for us.

We would have lost if we played the Magic today too. The Thunder lost Green and Kristic and didn't have Perk on the floor and they were going up against the best big man in the league (Who put up 40). Had Perk played, Dwight doesn't put up 40 and the Thunder most likely win... or at least make a game out of it.

[clover]

Thunder got crushed by an underachieving Magic team today. I think they might miss green more than people think. Good sign for us.

The Thunder had to do the same thing the C's did--call up a d-league guy just to have bodies for that game.  It's no fair judge of their trade at all.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

fair enough didnt watch the game

[Who]

Yeah, the Thunder are still another scorer away from being a top tier team.

Not enough offense from a Thabo, Ibaka and Perk trio in rounding out that starting lineup.

But they are very close, just one piece away ... and they'll be a nightmare to play against come playoff time because of their defensive quality and ability to create extra possessions.

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

Thunder got crushed by an underachieving Magic team today. I think they might miss green more than people think. Good sign for us.

The Thunder had to do the same thing the C's did--call up a d-league guy just to have bodies for that game.  It's no fair judge of their trade at all.

I still feel there's no denying they took an offensive hit. I don't see Mohamed or Perk helping them in that way either. They better hope Perk has as much of a defensive impact as everyone says, which is impossible. They give up like 104 ppg thats not all of sudden by playoff time turn into 93 ppg. They lost scoring and i dont see perk, or the rest of what they have, giving them enough. But we'll see

[wiley]

If I were Ok. City I'd have done just the Nazr Mohammed deal, for one reason only, Perk's current knee issues....  In fact, I wonder how much they'll play Perk this year.....I think they picked up Nazr not just to backup Perk should he get injured, but to limit his minutes....they'd be silly to overuse Perk and risk further injury.

 If they weren't planning to try to resign Perk and keep him longterm, they wouldn't have given up the first-round pick in 2012.  That and the Mohammed trade makes me think they'll be careful with Perk this year, which is a good thing for Perk, a very good thing, and something that might not have happened with him on the Celtics.

I think it's a good trade for both teams....both gave up a lot and got a lot back.  What we got is less injured than what Ok. got, and that had to be a major factor for Danny (I think people are underrating serious knee injuries and how to treat them with care), and we also will now enjoy a more rested Pierce......

Perk is wonderful, but he'll be more wonderful once he's back on fully recovered knees.

Then, for the future, of course the Celtics made a fantastic deal.....that's pretty obvious.

[Celtics4ever]

Perk is from Texas so that would be kinda of close to home for him.  Maybe Perk came back too early.  He came back about two weeks ahead of schedule as I recall.  Dude worked his butt off.  I wish him well but I think this won't help the Thunder as much as some expect.   

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

I love Perk. My heart sunk when I heard he was traded. Still, as hard as it is one has to seperate the heart from the head when thinking on a basketball level about the trade. Heart? I hate it. Head? It makes sense given where this season is. Perk has been out most the year and the team hasn't suffered. Not even defensively all that much. Offensively Perk can be a liability. Quise going down opened up a huge hole in the C's needs, a hole Green fills. He saves PP minutes and he can play solid D (and pass well). Perk out in game 7 hurt the C's. Riding the starters big minutes to the point that they wore out hurt even more. These moves look to counter that latter point. Would we have one game 7 with Perk? Perhaps. But it wouldn't change PP et all being wiped out, missing makeable shots  which was a bigger factor. Anyways, I feel ya but just a little bit of perspective. And no one here is bashing Perk. I am sure to a (wo)man everyone here loves Perk dearly as I certainly do. Pointing out on an on the floor level how this trade works for The C's isn't bashing Perk.

I hope you guys are right. If we don't win it this year, I don't see us winning a championship for sometime. We will be team that's going to need to rebuild soon. IMO, Krstic is not the center that we needed. I'm very happy with Jeff Green's acquisition...and I hope I'm wrong about Krstic. Nothing much we can do now anyway.

Well, I don't agree that trading Perk, as you imply, sinks our chances at winning this year. I think this trade does much to solidify those aspirations, in providing the bench player this team has been without, the bench player that will provide scoring on the second unit and save minutes now for the starters. As I have said, I love Perk, but he was not the key to this C's team. Look at our record without him this year. It ain't too shabby and this team has shown it can win without Perk. A) I hold Krstic in higher esteem than you and, more importantly, B) A large reason this trade was done is the high probability that Perk would not be back after this season, so the scenario envisioned above is exactly the same as it would have been. If one holds that this team had needs for a strong player like Green, which they clearly did with injuries, etc, and saw what this team could do without Perkins (which is play the same excellent D and put together a dang good record) the trade makes sense, especially as (a) exists--that Perk was probably going to be offered more money on the open market anyways.

[CoachBo]

I think that Perkins unquestionably came back too soon. The surgically repaired leg doesn't appear right, by his lack of lift and mobility. And the injury to the good knee is a huge red flag in my mind.

To a certain degree, I feel sorry for him. He's not healthy and he's joining an awful defensive team that doesn't seem to have a solid plan. OKC is so bad defensively that he'll help them - I could help them at my advanced age - but I wonder if the move wasn't a bit of panic from Presti because of their defensive problems.

And if that isn't enouugh, how will OKC match up offensively with two non-scorers on the floor to go with their two ball-stoppers? Tough to go 3 on 5 offensively in this league.

I have a harder time understanding why OKC would do this than Boston, frankly.