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Re: the buyout free agent watch thread
« Reply #90 on: February 25, 2011, 03:49:17 PM »

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I would consider Bibby to keep him away from Miami.
 

I am praying Miami gets him. The last thing Miami needs is a chucker at point guard. They need a distributor who can play good D vs RR and DRose.
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Re: the buyout free agent watch thread
« Reply #91 on: February 25, 2011, 03:52:40 PM »

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from SI:


Players must be waived before March 1 in order to be eligible for the playoffs, and no one will be in more demand than 6-foot-11 Troy Murphy, a rebounder with three-point range. The Nets wanted no part of Murphy, who played 18 games for them before they moved him in a minor deal with the Warriors, who are expected to buy him out. As recently as two years ago, Murphy converted 45.0 percent of his threes and averaged 11.8 rebounds in 34.0 minutes for the Pacers.

The Celtics believe they can lure Murphy to provide length and rebounding in place of departed center Kendrick Perkins, though a league source said Murphy is also considering Miami at the top of his list. If the Celtics are able to essentially replace Perkins with Murphy as well as 6-9 combo forward Jeff Green and 7-foot Nenad Krstic, who were acquired in the Thursday deal with Oklahoma City, then the controversial trade will make more sense to the Celtic veterans who have to be questioning the departure of their center.

(In a side note, I don't necessarily buy the talk that Green is the best player in that trade. He puts up bigger numbers and of course he is more versatile offensively than Perkins, but stats don't convey Perkins' value. The Thunder are viewing him as an indispensable part of an eventual title contender. They hope to convert from a finesse team to a two-way unit that will defend the basket and adapt to the nastier style of postseason basketball, and Perkins' arrival will instantly make them more intimidating this spring. As for the Celtics, it's now difficult to articulate their identity as a team: If Shaquille O'Neal isn't playing the majority of the minutes at center, then who will provide the post presence that helped define them at both ends of the floor? Did the Celtics surrender their rugged advantage against Miami now that they can't hope to keep Perkins or Shaq on the floor at all times? Green may turn into a valuable asset for both the short- and long-term, but let's see how this trade and the ensuing buyout acquisitions influence each team before deciding whether Perkins or Green is the superior asset.)

The Heat have long been rumored as a destination for former Knicks center Eddy Curry, who had played 10 games over the past three seasons before New York packaged his expiring contract to Minnesota as part of the Carmelo Anthony trade. Miami will also be interested in point guard T.J. Ford, should his wish for a buyout be granted by the Pacers.

Other buyout candidates include three-point shooters Rasual Butler and Jason Kapono; big men Joel Przybilla (who will be coveted by all the contenders if he is interested in continuing his career after being dealt to Charlotte) and Darius Songaila; defenders Jared Jeffries (who is expected to return to New York) and Leon Powe (who could return to Boston); and recent Knicks pickups Corey Brewer, Renaldo Balkman and Anthony Carter.

Murphy should be attractive to all the contenders. As for the remainder of these buyout candidates, the Spurs, Mavericks, Lakers and Bulls are generally expected to have less interest in pursuing them than the Celtics, Heat and Magic, who have short-term needs to be filled going into the playoffs.

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Re: the buyout free agent watch thread
« Reply #92 on: February 25, 2011, 03:53:02 PM »

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Dont be silly with that Howard comment. Dalembert might be on the table.


It's not silly. Employing logic there's no reason to believe that Dalembert would be bought out. It's 100% hope. 0% logic. Again, why would they not take a trade and gain an asset if they were going to buy him out? IE: Jeffries & a pick for Dalembert.

I just think its unreasonable to put his name in the conversation.
Dalmbert could easily be bought out to save the Kings some money. That team is in dire financial straights, plus they shouldn't be tying up money in an older role player.

They're talking like they want to extend him for some reason though.

But again, if their intentions are a buyout why not take the Houston deal, gain a pick and buyout Jeffries? At this point he's a valuable commodity, if they wanted to cut costs they could've done so AND gained a chip.
Oh I understand what the reports are saying, and it seems a buy out is unlikely, I just don't think it makes a lot of sense.

Ya, I think we're on the same page. I don't mean to say that there's absolutely no way we're going to get him, but I just thought it was odd that he was being extensively discussed when our chances of landing him are well below 1%


Here's how I understand it, and i bet Dalembert is/was the subject of buyout rumors because he fits the profile (bad, money-scrapped team, expiring contract, rebuilding team). However, Sac is subject to a very rarely relevant rule: the minimum salary. Had they stood pat at the deadline, they were under the minimum and would have, at the end of the season, been forced to pay each player on their roster a portion of the difference to make up to the minimum total salary. By trading for Daniels, they got to the minimum. So I do not think they can actually buyout Dalembert to save money, because they'd dip below the minimum again and be forced to pay out money anyway. So it doesn't make sense financially to buyout Dalembert.

I don't think this is accurate - I'm pretty sure that even if they buy him out their payroll vis a vis the salary cap/threshold is for the full contract.

By adding Daniels' contract they get over that threshold without actually spending money because of I assume that insurance is paying his salary. Sounds like it should be worth more than a 2017 second rounder.


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63. How do buy-outs affect a team's salary cap?

The agreed-upon buy-out amount (see question number 62) is included in the team salary instead of the salary called for in the contract. If the player had more than one season left on his contract, then the buy-out money is distributed among those seasons in proportion to the original salary. For example, say a player had three seasons remaining on his contract, with salaries of $10 million, $11 million and $12 million. The player and team agree to a buyout of $15 million. The $15 million is therefore charged to the team salary over the three seasons. Since the original contract had $33 million left to be paid, and $10 million is 30.3% of $33 million, 30.3% of the $15 million buyout, or $4.545 million, is included in the team salary in the first season following the buyout. Likewise, 33.33% of $15 million, or $5 million, is included in the team salary in the second season, and 36.36% of $15 million, or $5.455 million, is included in the team salary in the third season.

The distribution of the buy-out money is a matter of individual negotiation. Changing the number of years in which the money is paid does not change the number of years in which the team's team salary is charged. In the above example in which the player's contract is bought out with three seasons remaining, the buyout amount is always charged to the team salary over three seasons. It does not matter if the player is actually paid in a lump sum or over 20 years (a spread provision).


So if they are right at the Minimum, and they buy someone out for less than their current salary cap number, the buyout becomes the new number, and if that dips them below the minimum, then they have to pay out the difference.

Re: the buyout free agent watch thread
« Reply #93 on: February 25, 2011, 04:37:31 PM »

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D. Ainge is a Maverick and E. He has an owner who doesn't have deep pockets. This is a gamble, no question, but that's exactly what prompted Ainge to put the Big Three together. He said we'll see the method in his madness a week or so from now. I've been told Troy Murphy is headed their way and I could see Leon Powe winding up back there, too, after buyouts. That would explain why he opened roster spots. That would be the method. Is it still mad? We're going to find out.
http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/02/25/espns.ric.bucher.troy.murphy.will.sign.celtics

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« Reply #94 on: February 25, 2011, 05:34:06 PM »

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Instead of waiting desperately for a 3 to be bought out, maybe the C's should take a look at Patrick Ewing, Jr. He is playing well at the D. Maybe a 10 day trial.
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« Reply #95 on: February 25, 2011, 05:34:56 PM »

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How about Josh Howard to go along with TJ Ford and Troy Murphy.

Does anyone know if Howard is still a buyout candidate?

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« Reply #96 on: February 25, 2011, 05:37:06 PM »

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D. Ainge is a Maverick and E. He has an owner who doesn't have deep pockets. This is a gamble, no question, but that's exactly what prompted Ainge to put the Big Three together. He said we'll see the method in his madness a week or so from now. I've been told Troy Murphy is headed their way and I could see Leon Powe winding up back there, too, after buyouts. That would explain why he opened roster spots. That would be the method. Is it still mad? We're going to find out.
http://www.iamagm.com/news/2011/02/25/espns.ric.bucher.troy.murphy.will.sign.celtics

This would soften the blow of losing Perk quite considerably.  All of the sudden we'd have another body, quite frankly making it OK even if Jermaine doesn't come back (though, as my other thread said, I think he will). 

Going in another direction, I think this is somewhat of a bad idea from Murphy's perspective.  Quite frankly, if the team ends up healthy, he may not even be on the active roster come playoff time. 

With Miami or Orlando, he could've seen significant PT no matter what. 

Still, I'll be happy to have him if it works out. 

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« Reply #97 on: February 25, 2011, 05:39:13 PM »

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Instead of waiting desperately for a 3 to be bought out, maybe the C's should take a look at Patrick Ewing, Jr. He is playing well at the D. Maybe a 10 day trial.
Now that we have Green a wing isn't as huge a need as it was before.

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« Reply #98 on: February 25, 2011, 05:39:32 PM »

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Jason Kapono(witski) is not going to blend in well with the C's. All he knows is shoot the ball.
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« Reply #99 on: February 26, 2011, 10:00:57 AM »

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Re: the buyout free agent watch thread
« Reply #100 on: February 26, 2011, 10:39:34 AM »

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sean marks? geez, the celtics will have officially scrapped the bottom of the barrel if they bring him in.

never, ever in his career has he been anything remotely close to being a good NBA player. his stats over the past decade or so scream "hi, i am tall...end of resume."

i think chris johnson would be better for the celtics right now. heck,  johnson this season has had 4 blocked shots in 3 games. marks has a total of 5 blocked shots in 29 games.

please, mr. murphy, sign with the celtics.
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« Reply #101 on: February 26, 2011, 10:42:25 AM »

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of all those my 3 prefered would be Murphy, Pryz and Brewer....i think they end up with murphy, brewer and powe

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« Reply #102 on: February 26, 2011, 10:46:17 AM »

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Instead of waiting desperately for a 3 to be bought out, maybe the C's should take a look at Patrick Ewing, Jr. He is playing well at the D. Maybe a 10 day trial.

I'm sure he's a good kid, but there is something not right about having Ewing Jr join the celtics

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« Reply #103 on: February 26, 2011, 10:50:02 AM »

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of all those my 3 prefered would be Murphy, Pryz and Brewer....i think they end up with murphy, brewer and powe

Brewer? Corey Brewer from the Knicks? Why the heck would they buy him out? Ditto for Przybilla, they won't even consider buying him out, he'll share minutes with Kwame Brown at the 5.

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« Reply #104 on: February 26, 2011, 02:14:13 PM »

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http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/02/joel_przybilla_says_his_trail.html

Joel Przybilla says his Trail Blazers career might have a second chapter.

The veteran center, who was traded Thursday to Charlotte, hinted toward a return to Portland, but says his immediate future is up in the air until he speaks with the Bobcats front office.

Przybilla did not rule out the possibility of having his contract bought out by Charlotte, and he smiled wryly when talking about the Blazers.

“I still think there might be a chance I can come back,’’ Przybilla said late Friday night at Portland International Airport, where he prepared to board a flight to Charlotte. “It may be next year,  but I think there’s more. I don’t think it’s over just yet. I just have that hunch.’’

If Charlotte buys out his contract, Przybilla can sign with another team, but would have to wait 30 days before signing with the team that traded him. The Blazers have two open roster spots and only one true center, veteran Marcus Camby, who is currently rehabilitating his left knee after  arthroscopic surgery to repair a partially torn meniscus on Jan. 20.

In the weeks leading up to Thursday’s trading deadline, Przybilla privately said if he was traded he would likely ask for a buyout, or simply retire, citing his surgically repaired right knee.

This week, his agent, Bill Duffy, said if Przybilla was traded, he would have “a very quick and intense conversation” with the team that acquired Przybilla regarding a buyout or retirement.

When asked Friday if he will follow through with that ask for a buyout, Przybilla said it is up to Charlotte.

“I don’t know. I’m just going to go there, see what they want. I haven’t really talked to them and I want to see what they have to say first,’’ Przybilla said. “I’m going to go in there, evaluate them. For me, my knee isn’t 100 percent, and I don’t know if it’s worth it, and they know that. They know my knee is not right. But I want the doctor to look at it and see how it is.’’

Przybilla ruptured his right patella tendon at Dallas on Dec. 22 last season. In March, he slipped in the shower at his home in Milwaukee, Wisc. and re-ruptured the same knee.

He returned ahead of schedule, appearing in his first game on Dec. 3 at Washington. In his eighth game back, he suffered a sprained left ankle, forcing him to miss seven games.



View full sizeBruce Ely / The OregonianFormer Portland Trail Blazer Joel Przybilla checks into his flight as he heads to NC after being traded to the Bobcats.
For the season, he has played in 31 games, including nine starts, and is averaging 1.8 points and 3.9 rebounds in 14.4 minutes. In his last game with the Blazers on Wednesday, Przybilla started against the Lakers and finished with four points, seven rebounds and a block in 26 minutes.
 
Przybilla said he learned of his trade from teammate Brandon Roy. The entire team was in a Players Association meeting following Thursday’s practice, and Roy mouthed the words “You got traded” to Przybilla.

“So I got up, walked out and went to the locker room,’’ Przybilla said.

Soon he was met by Chad Buchanan, the Blazers’ director of college scouting, who officially notified Przybilla that he had been traded.

“I wasn’t shocked,’’ Przybilla said. “I had a feeling.’’

Przybilla said the past two days were such a whirlwind, in part because his wife, Noelle, and their two sons are back at their permanent home in Milwaukee.

“Some people close to me took it hard, but man, I’ve been blessed for seven years here,’’ Przybilla said. “Like Noelle, she took it hard, but I told her, we never saw this happening, where we would establish so many memories and friendships that will last a lifetime. When I signed here seven years ago, I had one foot out of the NBA, and I didn’t expect Portland to be like this.’’

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