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NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« on: February 22, 2011, 12:38:29 PM »

Offline vinnie

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As I see it, the NBA is becoming more like MLB (even though MLB does not have a hard salary cap). We are getting to the point where most franchises will not have an opportunity to compete for championships. In addition, the collusion that is going on between the superstar players will further weaken the infrastructure of the league. Having most of the great players grouped on 5-8 teams just does not seem to spell a great future for this league. Not sure what the answer is, but my guess is there are lots of worries in the New York City headquarters.
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« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 12:42:48 PM »

Offline wdleehi

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Ratings are up this year so the NBA is happy.



It will take the power of the majority of owners that find they can not make teams the can compete to create real change. 


Until the league adjust their rules such that the  team and not the stars are the emphasis, teams that can gather two or three stars will always win. 
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« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 12:47:57 PM »

Offline RebusRankin

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Hard cap and a franchise tag?
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« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 12:59:02 PM »

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« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 01:06:21 PM »

Offline Mike-Dub

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Quote from: vinnie on February 22, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
As I see it, the NBA is becoming more like MLB (even though MLB does not have a hard salary cap). We are getting to the point where most franchises will not have an opportunity to compete for championships. In addition, the collusion that is going on between the superstar players will further weaken the infrastructure of the league. Having most of the great players grouped on 5-8 teams just does not seem to spell a great future for this league. Not sure what the answer is, but my guess is there are lots of worries in the New York City headquarters.

MLB has I believe the same amount of different WS Champion teams the past ten years as the NFL. 
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Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 01:45:52 PM »

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Quote from: Mike-Dub on February 22, 2011, 01:06:21 PM
Quote from: vinnie on February 22, 2011, 12:38:29 PM
As I see it, the NBA is becoming more like MLB (even though MLB does not have a hard salary cap). We are getting to the point where most franchises will not have an opportunity to compete for championships. In addition, the collusion that is going on between the superstar players will further weaken the infrastructure of the league. Having most of the great players grouped on 5-8 teams just does not seem to spell a great future for this league. Not sure what the answer is, but my guess is there are lots of worries in the New York City headquarters.

MLB has I believe the same amount of different WS Champion teams the past ten years as the NFL.  
Last 10 NFL seasons have seen 7 different champions - Green Bay, New Orleans, Pittsburgh x2, New York (N), Indianapolis, New England x3, Tampa Bay.  

MLB in the last 10 seasons has seen 9 different champions - San Francisco, New York (A), Philadelphia, Boston x2, St. Louis, Chicago (A), Florida, Anaheim, Arizona.


And frankly the NBA has never had any parity.  Since the Sixers won the title in 1983, only 7 franchises have won a NBA title - Lakers 8, Bulls 6, Spurs 4, Pistons 3, Celtics 3, Rockets 2, Heat 1.  All five of the teams most likely to win a title this year are on that list (lakers, spurs, celtics, heat, and bulls) so I wouldn't expect someone else to crash the party this season either.
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« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 02:05:56 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 02:07:14 PM »

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Easy, get rid of Stern and hire ALL new refs.
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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2011, 02:22:29 PM »

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Quote from: mgent on February 22, 2011, 02:07:14 PM
Easy, get rid of Stern and hire ALL new refs.

If you get rid of Stern you won't need new refs.  The official's perceived incompetence is a product of management.

The refs are the most talented in NBA history.  They can officiate on the fly based on who does what.  That's the problem right there.  3 sets of rules.

Can't fix anything else until the games certain players play in don't look fixed.

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2011, 02:24:45 PM »

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NFL is the sport where teams make the biggest turn around in the shortest time the most often.



MLB has surprise teams that draft well, but those teams have the smallest window of all teams to win it all since they usually are the teams without the money needed to keep good players (see Tampa)


NBA is the luck of the draft league until recently when players started forcing their ways on certain teams.  



I like the NFL model the best.  Every year, every team has a chance to dream.  In MLB, no Pirate's fan think they are going to win.  In the NBA, no Detroit fan thinks they are going to win.  
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« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2011, 02:26:46 PM »

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Some people might say the league is fixed.
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« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2011, 02:39:52 PM »

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Quote from: Finkelskyhook on February 22, 2011, 02:22:29 PM
Quote from: mgent on February 22, 2011, 02:07:14 PM
Easy, get rid of Stern and hire ALL new refs.

If you get rid of Stern you won't need new refs.  The official's perceived incompetence is a product of management.

The refs are the most talented in NBA history.  They can officiate on the fly based on who does what.  That's the problem right there.  3 sets of rules.

Can't fix anything else until the games certain players play in don't look fixed.


No one can say for certain where all the blame lies.  Just give us a fresh start, we deserve it.  For all we know they could overthrow Stern and refs would still be betting on games.  Too much bad history.
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« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2011, 03:22:50 PM »

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« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2011, 03:23:30 PM »

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The NBA is far from perfect, but it's nowhere near broken, either.  Attendance, ratings, and interest are all up, and the increase in longevity means there is more star power than probably at any time before. 

As far as parity goes, the only time the league's really had parity was in the 70s, which is also widely regarded as the low point in league history.  I'd say be careful what you wish for on that one. 

Some things can be done (like a harder cap) to help level the playing field for smaller markets, but I like the dynasty model overall.  I don't want the NFL model where teams can win their conference or the Super Bowl and then completely fizzle out the next year without much changing in between. 

Short seasons, single-game playoffs, and injuries as a much larger factor mean that random chance and luck play a much larger role in who wins a given Super Bowl.  The best team wins the championship more often in the NBA than any other major sport.  Which is how I think it should be.
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« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2011, 03:29:48 PM »

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I don't think there are huge problems with the NBA that need to be fixed...and that is not (only) because I am a fan of one of the teams at the top right now.

I think they have smaller things they need to workout (perception of refs, perception of players are both at the top of the list), but on the whole, they are doing pretty well. 

I personally think the lack of parity is good for the league.  Basketball is a sport that is much better when you have great teams.  And the fact that there have been a number of different franchises who have had success over the last 10-15 years shows that you can get better if you have a well run team and get a little luck.

More parity would just lead to more mediocrity in my opinion, and that is simply not entertaining. 
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