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Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2011, 09:23:24 PM »

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More parity would just lead to more mediocrity in my opinion, and that is simply not entertaining. 

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Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2011, 09:53:16 PM »

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The biggest problem I have is that only about 5 or 6 teams have a realistic shot of winning it all and about that same number have no chance at all of making the playoffs.  Also under the current system you're better off being real, real bad vs mediocre. 

I think you can deal with this by shortening the length of guaranteed contracts.  This would create more movement of players from year to year which would give the mediocre teams more hope.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some teams being contracted.  A few of these teams have nothing to offer in the way of gate attractions. Take away 4 teams, disperse the talent among the remaining teams and you'll have a better product.


Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2011, 10:51:52 PM »

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I don't see anything wrong with all this. The NBA has 3 tiers of performance and star level players playing at all three. Here's how i breakdown the league (and their top player's PER)

Spurs
Celtics
Heat
Mavericks
Lakers
Bulls
Magic
Thunder
Hawks
Blazers
Knicks
Hornets

That's 12 teams that are competitive and are expected to win on a nightly basis 

Clippers
Warriors
Rockets
Suns
Bobcats
Bucks
Grizzlies
Pacers
76ers
Jazz

Those are all middle of the pack, can get up for big games, overlook each other, blow teams out, get blown out... but ultimately still entertain.




Cavaliers
Timberwolves
Kings
Raptors
Wizards
Nets
Pistons

Those 7 teams are just trying to lose by less than 20.


In my opinion, a bunch of the bottom tier teams COULD be in the middle of the pack if they didn't carry over paid players solely for the purpose of them being Expiring Contracts. The Raptors and Cavs are in the first year after losing their superstar player. The Wizards were set up to fail because a lot of the cap was tied into Gilbert Arenas, now Rashard Lewis is the overpaid player.. but not by as much.Then The T-Wolves and Timberwolves are trapped in the basement because of some poor GM decisions.


The NBA is 2-4 teams too large, the players and fans can see that the talent is starting to get spread too thin. If the Raptors, T-Wolves, Kings, and Cavs combined their top 15 players would they even be a Top 10 team then?



PG- Mo Williams, Beno Udrih, Ramon Sessions
SG-  Tyreke Evans,
SF- Michael Beasley, Demar Derozan 
PF- Kevin Love, Amir Johnson, JJ Hickson, Antawn Jamison,
C- Andrea Bargnani, Demarcus Cousins, Anderson Varejao

Is THAT team a contender? Obviously the depth is ridiculous, but is there a 8/9 man roster that you'd put out there in the playoffs against The Celtics, Spurs, Lakers, or Magic?


Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2011, 11:18:29 PM »

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The biggest problem I have is that only about 5 or 6 teams have a realistic shot of winning it all and about that same number have no chance at all of making the playoffs.  Also under the current system you're better off being real, real bad vs mediocre. 

I think you can deal with this by shortening the length of guaranteed contracts.  This would create more movement of players from year to year which would give the mediocre teams more hope.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some teams being contracted.  A few of these teams have nothing to offer in the way of gate attractions. Take away 4 teams, disperse the talent among the remaining teams and you'll have a better product.


Taking away 4 teams will not make a difference. The league has never had parity, nor should it. The only way to get parity is to have all teams draft from scratch every season. Otherwise, talent will collect in certain areas because that is the nature of distributions. There are outliers in both directions. This would also eliminate teams building rosters for an unsure future at the expense of the current year. There would be no rebuilding teams.

Why would shortening contracts help mediocre teams? Did the past offseason with many free agents help any of the mediocre teams? Didn't they all either stay at home or go to a big market team? Wouldn't more movement hurt bad teams as good players try to escape sinking ships in favor of a winning team?

I do not understand why people talk as if the lack of parity is a modern problem. The league has always been that way and will always be that way. It is the nature of the sport.

Perhaps removing max contracts while retaining a cap would help. I doubt Lebron decides to play with Wade for 16m when another team is offering 30m. With such a large contract, it will also be difficult to sign other players to join him.

Another option is to get rid of the MLE and Bird rights so that powerhouse teams are unable to dominate the league for 5 years as they re-sign guys to whatever they have to. If your player becomes a free agent, make it that you can only offer the player the league minimum or whatever your cap space is.

Again, the number of teams is irrelevant. The way to engineer the parity you want is by making changes like I mentioned which affect how talent will be distributed.

Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2011, 11:54:51 PM »

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I'm actually not advocating parity, I'm just opposed to having too many teams with zero hope for being competitive.  Shortening the length of guaranteed contracts allows teams to clear out deadwood a lot faster than before. That would enable you to more easily rearrange your roster to improve your team.

Granted, NBA GM's are doing a much better job managing the cap than in the earlier days of the current system but its still not working for enough teams if a dozen are, in fact, losing money. 

I actually agree with you that parity is a bad thing in basketball.  But the bottom half of the league is going to need a heck of a lot of luck in order to contend for a title for the next decade.  In the NFL for example, decent management should be able to get a team into the playoffs at least once every five years. That can't happen in the NBA.

Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2011, 12:04:13 AM »

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The biggest problem I have is that only about 5 or 6 teams have a realistic shot of winning it all and about that same number have no chance at all of making the playoffs.  Also under the current system you're better off being real, real bad vs mediocre. 

I think you can deal with this by shortening the length of guaranteed contracts.  This would create more movement of players from year to year which would give the mediocre teams more hope.

I also wouldn't mind seeing some teams being contracted.  A few of these teams have nothing to offer in the way of gate attractions. Take away 4 teams, disperse the talent among the remaining teams and you'll have a better product.



See I don't think this is a problem, in any sport, how many teams are expected to win the championship any year?

People complain about parity, but most teams get their chance to shine.  Look at the teams at the bottom this year:

Minnesota - was a guaranteed playoff team every year in the late 90's, early 2000's.  Went to the Western Conference Finals too.  They definitely had their chances

New Jersey - same as the TWolves, and they even went to the Finals twice.

Detroit - was a championship contender for several years, and even won the whole thing.

Cleveland - was a contender for the championship for the last few years.

Washington - they've had a lot of big name players come through the last 15 years, and in the last few years were able to put 3 All-Stars together.

Sacramento - they were a serious contender for the title for several years in the first half of the 2000's.

Toronto - they have had very few terrible years, pretty mediocre most of the time, ok maybe they've never had a chance  :P


Now let's look at some of the championship contenders:

Boston - had no chance to win up until about 3 years ago.

Miami - finished last or near the bottom twice in the past decade.

New York - they were a joke for about every season over the last 10 years.

Chicago - Since '98 they had more seasons with less than 20 wins (3 - although one was a lockout) than they've had winning seasons (only 2 - up until this year).

Orlando - only been a contender the last 3 years really, pretty mediocre the rest of the time.

Dallas - before the 2000's, they were the joke of the league for what seemed like forever.  Great ownership helped turn that around

San Antonio - great front office and some luck.

LAL - ok they seem to struggle the least, but they have good ownership and a good front office.  They share location with a perennial cellar dweller, so I think a big part of their success goes to management/ownership.


So basically what I'm saying is, it's not the same teams at the top and bottom every year.  Some of the worst teams now were actually championship contenders just a few years ago.  Go back a few years and look at the standings and playoff picture, pretty different than what it is now.  There's really a small number that never contend (Clippers, Memphis), and a couple that always seem contend (Mavs, Lakers, Spurs).  But the teams that always suck seem to have the WORST management/ownership, while the few teams that succeed have the best management/ownership and a little luck.  But even teams with terrible management in terrible locations (Detroit, Minnesota) have had chances to contend.  There's tons of parity and variety in the NBA, at least more than people give it credit for.

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Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2011, 12:22:02 AM »

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In the NFL for example, decent management should be able to get a team into the playoffs at least once every five years. That can't happen in the NBA.

Actually just about every single team in the NBA has made the playoffs once in the last 5 years, with the exception of New York and Minnesota.  And New York will be in the playoffs this year (and probably every year for the foreseeable future), and Minnesota was in the playoffs 8 straight years before 2005, and really just has terrible management holding them back.  There's way more variety than you give the league credit for.

Team                         Last Made Playoffs
New York Knicks    2004 - should make playoffs this year
Minnesota Timberwolves    2004
Indiana Pacers    2006 - should make playoffs this year
Los Angeles Clippers    2006 - could make playoffs next year
Memphis Grizzlies    2006 - could make playoffs this year
Sacramento Kings    2006
Golden State Warriors    2007 - could make playoffs next year
New Jersey Nets    2007 - could make playoffs next year
Toronto Raptors    2008
Washington Wizards    2008
Detroit Pistons    2009
Houston Rockets    2009
New Orleans Hornets    2009
Philadelphia 76ers    2009
Atlanta Hawks   2010
Boston Celtics   2010
Charlotte Bobcats    2010
Chicago Bulls   2010
Cleveland Cavaliers    2010
Dallas Mavericks    2010
Denver Nuggets    2010
Los Angeles Lakers    2010
Miami Heat    2010
Milwaukee Bucks    2010
Oklahoma City Thunder    2010
Orlando Magic    2010
Phoenix Suns    2010
Portland Trail Blazers    2010
San Antonio Spurs    2010
Utah Jazz    2010

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Re: NBA -- how can it be fixed?
« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2011, 10:31:45 AM »

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Number one is the refs...they are ruining the game. Look at the NFL refs, see any favoritism there, no. The NBA refs are all control, their way. Different rules for their favs, their stars, the rookies, that is how you set the tone for initial control. The league has let this happen, the league needs to fix it fast. It really looks like championship wrestling now.

I agree with you here, the refs are ruining the game.  Aside from balls and strikes, there aren't a lot of calls made during games in most other sports.  The umps and refs are mostly in the background.
But in the NBA the refs are front and center the whole time, and they relish the spotlight.  They know they wield the power to control the flow of the game, and this has brought a sense of arrogance that is demeaning to the quality of the game, itself.

The refs need to be kept in line by the league, but I think the league likes their act, and encourages it.