Would BBD be much better if he lost 25-30 LBS?

[ScoobyDoo]

Thanks TBoots and agreed Celts4ever re losing fat and gaining muscle, can actually add weight. Couple thoughts, possiblities for Baby:

1. He loses the 20 pounds of losse fat on that upper body, replaces it with muscle and stays roughly the same weight.

2. He loses the 20 pounds of fat and lifts in a way that increases his conditiioning and toning, rather than adding muslce mass. I think they call it lower weights, higher reps regimen or something. In this scenario he moves closer to the 270 to 275 mark, having lost just fat but no muscle mass.

To me, either is preferable to what he currently is, because in either scenario he becomes a much better athlete; this being said, I think the 270 to 275 mark is a better move long term for his career.

I also fully believe if Baby utlimately does with his body what Perkins has done with his? We're looking at a guy who is a legit 20-10 "threat" every night. Not saying he'd average it, that remains to be seen. But I truly believe, if he gets in that kind of condition, he's a legit threat for those numbers every night.

That's why I'm pulling for him to keep inching his way there.   

[mmbaby]

Really good ideas, Scooby. I'm rooting for him too and hope that he stays inspired to constantly get better. I see him the same way and feel also that he could be a very legit threat.

[thirstyboots18]

I tend to agree, ScoobyDoo.  The next logical step in the improvement in Davis' game seems to be working on his physical body.  That improvement is completely up to him...no can do it for him.  Between Perk and Ray Allen he has wonderful role models.  He is not too young (or too old) to start making that improvement.  Personally, I don't see his game improving at the same rate that it has (and it has improved a lot), until he takes care of that, and has an athlete's body to go along with his athlete aspirations and ambitions.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Basketball is one of the most physically demanding sports out of them all. It is no place for someone perpetually out of shape. When they pay you in the NBA, part of what they expect is for you to at least be in shape. How could a man present himself like that to his organization and still reach for his pay..? (or his fork and knife and LARGE spoon!!!).

[mmbaby]

It's because of his age and thus his lack of better judgement, in my opinion. He's learning well and will keep doing so. I think guys take to about the age of 26 yrs to really develop good judgement.
I hope he will take care of his body too and realize the committment because he has the body type where he'll have to be vigilant and careful not to gain weight. It's not going to be easy because of his body type, but I think his ambitions will carry the day.

[Megatron]

If BBD was to lose 30+ lbs he would be a SF.

[ScoobyDoo]

Good point mmbaby, if there is one thing that's clear about Baby, he defiantely likes and wants the limelight, likes to take the big shot, etc... which means he's a gamer and he wants it, he wants to get "there"

He has made noticeable strides with his weight every year. The main reason you can tell is by how his face looks from year to year, it's slowly getting more angled and less pudgy. It means he's losing overall body weight...

But I agree that he has not taken that final 100% committment like Perk, Ray, Karl Malone, KG, Pierce, etc...if he does that he will reach another level with his conditioning and that will pay immediate and very positive dividends for him on the court.

Good point Meadowlark, I do not understand either how a pro athlete can't simply hire someone for his diet and show up in shape. I mean all they have to do is show up for work, eat right and work out 365. I'm sure if any of these guys want  a trainer or a nutritionist, these people are at their call, 24/7. God I'd love to have that.

If Baby lost 30 he'd be around 260 lbs, biggest small forward in the league.

I think in the neighborhood of 15-20 lbs can come off in pure loose hanging fat on theat upper body. Replace that 20 lbs with either muscle and stay at 285 to 290 or just take the fat off and come down to 270 to 275 and Baby will be able to do everything he is doing now, and more, just a a much higher level than he is now. The better athlete you are the better you will perform.     

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Would Ray A or PP or kg or rondo be better if they GAINED 20-30 lbs......LOL..!

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Good point mmbaby, if there is one thing that's clear about Baby, he defiantely likes and wants the limelight, likes to take the big shot, etc... which means he's a gamer and he wants it, he wants to get "there"

He has made noticeable strides with his weight every year. The main reason you can tell is by how his face looks from year to year, it's slowly getting more angled and less pudgy. It means he's losing overall body weight...

But I agree that he has not taken that final 100% committment like Perk, Ray, Karl Malone, KG, Pierce, etc...if he does that he will reach another level with his conditioning and that will pay immediate and very positive dividends for him on the court.

Good point Meadowlark, I do not understand either how a pro athlete can't simply hire someone for his diet and show up in shape. I mean all they have to do is show up for work, eat right and work out 365. I'm sure if any of these guys want  a trainer or a nutritionist, these people are at their call, 24/7. God I'd love to have that.

If Baby lost 30 he'd be around 260 lbs, biggest small forward in the league.

I think in the neighborhood of 15-20 lbs can come off in pure loose hanging fat on theat upper body. Replace that 20 lbs with either muscle and stay at 285 to 290 or just take the fat off and come down to 270 to 275 and Baby will be able to do everything he is doing now, and more, just a a much higher level than he is now. The better athlete you are the better you will perform.     

TP for ya..oh to get paid for playing the sport we love, millions and then just stay in shape....get hurt so what sit courtside and watch the game till your well. The "requirements" they have are what most of us do AFTER WORKING 10 hours a day and night school/reading up on things....!

[KobeShesNotConsenting!]

would he be MUCH better? No, that's an unrealistic expectation. But would his quickness and leaping ability improve somewhat? Well, yea that's just science.

[ScoobyDoo]

Fair enough Kobe, how much better remains to be seen, but at least "better" could be expected. I'll take that and be happy to watch it.

So True Meadowlark, TP back to you. I think the exact same thing sometimes. I look at these guys and I'm like, I work 10-12 hours a day and for the most part I still then get to the gym for a few hours and stay in shape.

I look at guys like Baby and say wait "you get $4 million a year to stay in shape, you have trainors and nutritionists at your beckon call, have the best training facilities in the world and have basically 24/7/365 to work on your body either in practices, games or free time and....and...I can see a bunch of jelly jiggling around when you run down the floor?

I understand "body types" bu I don't buy that BS. Perkins also had a "body type" when he came into the league, just like Baby. It's about mental discipline with diet and mental will re the gym. That's why I know Baby can get there. The Body Type card is a complete cop out.   

[Meadowlark_Scal]

That is exactly it....people get so permissive and sympathetic in unneccessary and unrealistic ways/times. Like the kobe post said more jump/quickness, well two fundamentally required skills to be successfull in basketball. BBd did develop a nice shot but it shouldn't be considered a miracle 24-7 time/pay and guys paid to go get and pass you the ball all day in and for your practice/shot. So, ya, there are some things i DO like about bbd he can defend some guys that are taller sometimes...sometimes no. Dirk, bargnani and a few other tall forwards just blow past him and or shoot over him. Well...i don't know when bbd is going to lose this weight he said he would 1-2 years ago...then on tv declared his love for doughnuts.

[mmbaby]

Listen guys, think about it. NBA players don't just play basketball and have nothing else to do. You might work 10 hours a day and then go to the gym, but comparing your own life to an nba life is apples and oranges.

NBA players have the incredibly difficult responsibility of deciding how to invest all their many millions, which shoes for which game, and whether to wear a headband or not.

How can you say their lives are easy?

But seriously, they all do many charity events, engagements, promotional things, commercials and spots, working out, practicing and trying to find a way to get enough sleep after so much constant flying all over the country and world, in addition to the above.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

Barkley just said he never got his game going until he lost weight and got in better shape...!

[rondohondo]

So BBD got hurt last night going up for a dunk. They are now saying that he has been playing through this all year. I have to believe that weight plays a part in this injury.

this looks like the injury that BBD is suffering

# Patellar Tendonitis is mainly caused by too much jumping. Other activities which could lead to jumper's are too much running, walking, or bicycling. All of these activities put repeated stress on the patellar tendon, causing it to be inflamed.
# Patellar Tendonitis can also happen to people who have problems with the way their hips, legs, knees, or feet are aligned. This alignment problem can result from having wide hips, being knock-kneed, or having feet with arches that collapse when you walk or run, a condition called over- pronation.

I know he can't control  his hips are aligned or anything like  that, but the extra 20 lbs or so of fat that he is carrying on that knee can't be helpful.

and if he has been suffering from it all year long I have to believe weight is a big part of the reason. We all knew BBD would suffer knee problems sooner or later from the extra weight, has it already started to happen?

I just hope he is back for the playoffs and can be useful because if he doesn't have his quick feet going for him he is going to struggle a lot with taller players .