Would BBD be much better if he lost 25-30 LBS?

[indeedproceed]

If Glen Davis loses mass, he'll lost leverage. He might gain more quickness, speed, and get a little higher on his vert, but he'll lose leverage. That's physics.

[thirstyboots18]

I am not getting into any argument over whether or not Davis is "fat". We do know that he is strong.

What I am going to say is that there is a huge difference between 20 lbs. of fat and 20 lbs. of muscle...it is the same twenty pounds...and yet it really is NOT. Muscle weighs more than fat.  It is not necessarily the weight, it "what" the weight is. 

I don't know what Perk weighed when he was drafted, and I don't know what he weighs now...but I can see that he has  worked off the fat and added muscle. 

Does anyone know what Davis' fat/muscle ratio is? If you do, IMO,  you might have a quality discussion on the topic.

[mmbaby]

Rhondohondo, I am a poor eater still, even though I know what's best. Spaghetti (sp) and meat sauce is a good carb meal. Pancakes aren't unless they've come up with some new 'study' out there that says they are.

I would go for the pancakes for the sugar and I'd keep eating sugar the whole game, but that's just me.
That's how my body works and what would work for me. I drink caffeine, yet I can't drink it past 3pm if I want to sleep. Many people can drink it all night and sleep just fine. When I eat spaghetti, I feel good. When I eat fried chicken, sometimes I get a stomach ache. I don't eat certain healthy foods because they taste bad to me or they make me feel ill.

I really do see what you're saying, but just feel like the man can eat what he wants. What works for him.

[Greenbean]

OMG, Rhondohondo, can't believe it. I didn't think it would happen so fast, though. Believe it or not, large and heavy bones are a fact and not an 'excuse'.

And God forbid any player in the NBA should ever eat a donut. Are you serious?

If you go back and take another look at that room service meal, you will realize that 1. all players eat room service when they are on the road. 2. all players have a certain meal they eat before games to give them carbs and strength and he was displaying what meal he uses for that. 3. The portion sizes were small for a man his size...3 pancakes and a salad size plate of spagetti and meat sauce. That's a small meal even for me and I'm 5'3".

Are you serious? Maybe we should forbid all players from eating regular food and they should only be allowed to eat granola. Baby knows, like all nba players, the best meal to eat before a game for him, and he was brave enough to show you, especially knowing there are those out there who will make fun of him for it.

NEXT.................

You really dont think Big Baby can cut down his body fat percentage further. He already has by leaps and bounds since entering the NBA. Why cant he keep going?

He still has quite a bit of extra weight on his body. Most well trained athletes eat chicken and rice. Lean protein and good carbs.

Im guessing his fitness level is up and his diet is better than when he was younger, but there is most likely room for improvement.

[Celtics4ever]

He would not be stronger at 265 than 290.   I am around 4-5% body when at 265.  I am stronger but not fitter at 290.  Size translates well into strength when fighting into position.   Peeps could not even budge at 265,  when playing at 290 in a pickup game I am a brick wall.  I can carry weight decently here at 6'7" in bare feet.  But I have a 60 inch chest and 22 inch neck which I am sure big baby does not.  I dunked much easier at 265 though and moved better.  Neither weight effected my shot.  Granted this was 15 years ago.  My team mates called me Cornfed.  But this isn't pullups folks where body size to body strength matters its basketball.

Some guys are just big.   My last body fat test when I was 32ish stated I had 260 lbs of bone and muscle.  Some guys can even get close to their BMI.  I had trouble with the Army because I was supposed to weigh 220 or so according to that BMI.  But my muscle mass is considerable.  Big Baby is the same way.  BMI a lot of NBAers would not be BMI fit.   Shaw, Howard and many would be obese by BMI standards because they are muscle bound.

He is a freak of nature anyways.  Not many of us can dunk when pushing 300 lbs or move like that.  But he can.  I could when I was younger.  I could dunk it until I was 39 but I was a fat old man and much older than Big Baby.

[snowball]

I'm all for Glen losing 10 pounds of Baby Fat No pun intented 
but i can't see him losing any more than 15-20 max.

meanwhile, spaghetti & pancakes ?
I've never heard of it.
like.. together

[ScoobyDoo]

Good points re Fat / Muscle ratios for the guy, that ousl be interesting to know.

Snowball, I understand what you're saying but one question..."have you seen Baby with his shirt off?". That my friend, is not all Bone and muscle, there is a nice solid walrus wrap over all that body. You can see it moving when he runs for ****!!

When you start talking about removing that, much as Perkins did the very exact same thing, there is an easy 20 pounds in there. Hell, like I said, I'm no where near as big or fat as Baby is, and I could easily drop 15 poounds of nothing but excess fat that's just hanging around and which has no impact on the overall strength of my body.

I also agree with the guy who said if he ate the right carbs and the right diet 90% of the time, it would probably make a huge difference.

Another thought - they said Baby was about 31- to 315 when he first came into the league. According to the numbers that would mean he has already lost around 20-25 poounds. Yet, he still seesm able to hold his position just fine in the post, much as he did as a rookie. So is it due to his natural physical strength or his "Fat mass?".

If there has been no considerable difference in his ability to move people in the post when he decreases his wegith from 310 to 290, why should we expect there to be a dramatic drop off in that same skill if he looses another 15 or 20 lbs.

Agreed mmbaby, not really bashing Baby at all. I love the kid, he's a good player and very entertaining to me, i hope he's with us long term. To the opposite, I think it's more of wanting to see him reach his ceiling as an athlete and a player. I think he has more game in him than we're seeing, but we won't get it until he maxes out as an athlete.

Either way, here's to Big baby and all his big boned body mass, may it land squarely on the shoulders of Wade, LeBron and Kobe, in that succession, this post season!   

[Bankshot]

There are a lot of good arguments here either way. I prefer him the way he is, but what does he care what I think?

Me too. I don't care if he loses weight or not.

[Finkelskyhook]

If Davis loses 25-30lbs he's essentially a younger, better shooting version of Antoine Walker without Antoine's handle.

He'd be just another tweener in the NBDL without the bulk. 

His bulk is the reason he's in the NBA.

[mmbaby]

I'm all for Glen losing 10 pounds of Baby Fat No pun intented 
but i can't see him losing any more than 15-20 max.

meanwhile, spaghetti & pancakes ?
I've never heard of it.
like.. together

I know. When I saw that video, it cracked me up. It was really cute and he had a lot of guts to put it out there, considering how he gets picked on for his weight.

Frankly, I say let the kid eat what he wants. It didn't look like a bad meal, though I'm thinking it would be a taste explosion in my mouth.

[Chris]

Frankly, I say let the kid eat what he wants. It didn't look like a bad meal, though I'm thinking it would be a taste explosion in my mouth.

I could care less what he eats, and I think right now, he is at the right weight for what this team needs from him.

I will say though, if I were a GM looking to sign him to a large, multi-year deal, those types of things would scare the heck out of me.  He is currently 25 years old, and he gets away with his eating habits.  However, once he starts getting up there into his high 20's, that is going to catch up to him.  He is going to have to work a lot harder, and watch what he eats a lot more to even maintain his weight, let alone lose any.  So, at some point, he is going to have to completely change his lifestyle if he wants to maintain his current level of effectiveness or get better. 

Now, certainly that can happen.  Plenty of guys have learned to do that as they got older.  But for a GM, that is certainly going to be on their mind when they decide whether to sign this guy or not. 

[thirstyboots18]

What I was trying to say was not necessarily that he should lose weight, but by building muscle, he would stay near the same weight, but be leaner and meaner.  (This is coming from one who's lean mean days are  part of distant memory.  ) I don't believe that becoming stronger would make him a pushover...it hasn't made Perk a pushover.

Does anyone know how much actual weight Perk lost during his body transformation?

[ScoobyDoo]

On NBA Draft it says Perk was 6'10" 280 when drafted. He's now listed at...6'10" and 280....

But look at the transformation. He took off all the body fat and added muscle.

The thing is I think Perkins had to add that muscle alot more than Baby has. It looks like to me that Baby has become more defined mostly as he has lost weight. I'm sure he lifts, but he doesnt' look that much "bigger" now than he did before. His face is more angled and he looks a little more cut because he's lost weight.

If Baby even did what Perkins has done - lose all the body fat, replace that weight with muscle, we'd see a vastly improved Baby. I'd be all for that - less fat, more muscle, better athlete.

But I still think he could do everything he's doing now and much more, at 270 to 275 final resting weight. Better for his career as well.

He's doing what he's doing now because of his natural given and unusual strength of his body, this from the NBA Draft. net

NBA Comparison: Rodney Rogers
Aran Smith - 3/22/2006
Strengths: A unique player because of his unreal body strength. Most basketball players are not built like tanks ... Charismatic personality, similar to Shaq ... Excellent feel for the game ... His physical strength is virtually unparalleled for a player his height ...



 

[thirstyboots18]

Thank you Scooby.  I find that information about Perk to be very interesting.  Perk saw himself as an athlete, so proceeded to put in the become the best that HE could be.  No one says it is easy...

We have been talking about Davis, but Perk's contract is also coming up....

[Celtics4ever]

Muscle weights more than fat.  When you lose body fat you don't always lost weight sometimes you gain it if it's replaced with muscle.