Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF

[arctic 3.0]

I agree that regardless of whether Marquis could be ready for the playoffs, we should not count on him being ready.  The severity of the injury, the injury history and the career-long durability issues create big question marks for an important bench player, considering LeBron, Kobe and Manu are likely on the C's road to the finals.

However, despite Moon likely being cheap, he is certainly not the answer.  He is no better than Von Wafer and the man is a stick.  Beyond that, do you remember him being able to stick on Paul in the playoffs?  Because I don't.  And while Wafer certainly isn't known as a great defender, I've been impressed with his effort on that end. 

I'd love to see them try to pry Pietrus out of Phoenix.  I don't know why Orlando got rid of him.  This guy is a strong, quick, physical player (no wonder why he gathers dust in the desert) and he can hit the 3.  Sure he doesn't provide the positional flexibility that Quis does but with DWest/Wafer/Nate that flexibility isn't really needed.

So the question becomes, how do we get him from Phoenix to Boston.  Plus, how great would it be to watch Pietrus shut down J-Rich before knocking down a dagger from the corner.

pietrus would be ideal, and i think Phoenix is about the only team that might be interested in Nate. however we would have to send a tractor trailer full of boston cream pie, lobster and monster seat tix to the suns to convince them to make the deal.

[housecall]

I think Doc is going to have to get creative with lineups now - using a combination of out of position players

thinking 3 guard sets and maybe a little of Luke at the 3

if a better option becomes available via buyout (Rip?) great, but otherwise I doubt we make a move

Last i knew Rip was a 2g that doesn't play good defense.

[billysan]

As it applies to this thread, those who doubt the trade value of JO should consider that he is a nice big when healthy and on a cheap contract considering.

When he is not healthy and if he stays that way he is better than an expiring contract because insurance will pick up his contract if/when he retires.

I think he probably would seriously consider retirement if he was traded to a non contender and is still playing in pain. There are plenty of teams that would like to clear money off the books and would take him if they were reasonably sure of his status.


I honestly think Danny will hang on to him for a while but if the right deal comes along for a Prince or comparable player then he is gone. As long as Shaq is coming back we really dont need JO as a backup.

If Shaq goes down then we get thinner at the center either way. 

[InRondoWeTrust]

Guys, I think all the speculation about this is a little premature on our parts. Sure if it turns out we're not going to have Marquis in the playoffs, then I believe Danny will start working to acquire somebody worthwhile to put in his place (hopefully not a Mikki Moore). If Danny doesn't do this, Doc is likely to jump down his throat.

But from the list of players you've come up with so far, some of them aren't going to happen and I'm ECSTATIC that some of them aren't going to happen.

1. Jamario Moon is a chump. His most significant NBA accomplishment was being in the dunk competition. There's a reason he's sitting on the worst team in the NBA's bench. He's all athleticism and no substance.

2. Based on the forums, we all pretty much hated Tony Allen until he was gone, no? You can't say we weren't critical of him. Maybe at the beginning of the year we thought we really needed him, but now with him struggling to see the floor in Memphis, I think we can all attest to the fact that he was what he was because he was on a team full of future HOF's.

3. Rip would be ideal if he is bought out, and I think we could get him to play a little bit of the 3 to spell Paul. The 3 is a wing position, just like the 2, and as long as the players can read the play diagrams, they're not going to be lost schematically. Especially not 10+ year vets. So it's all about the macthups. If Rip ends up on Lebron, so what? Ray has ended up on Lebron on a switch before, and TA was a SHOOTING GUARD when he defended Lebron. I just think it's not as big of a deal as some people are making it. Basketball players the likes of Rip can just play, period.

4. Pietrus has never been one of my favorite players, simply because he always seems to be breaking out and then he'll make a mistake (missed 3, bad pass, dumb foul, etc.). The guy has always surprised me in how he's able to look so good at times and so lackluster at others. How many open 3's has this guy missed in clutch situations? And now you say he's been sitting the bench in Phoenix? So why do we want him after his confidence may be further drained. I really think this guy has voices telling him he's not good enough in his head. Also, they don't need a point guard at all, they have 3 on their roster in Nash, Dragic and Dowdell.

5. In 2009 I was willing to lead the Grant Hill parade if he signed with us, but now, eh, two years older is hard thing to stomach. I don't want to make our team even older, even if it means leaving one of my favorite NBA players to rot in the desert.

6. Tayshaun Prince would represent a coup d'etat if we could bring him in here. It's that simple.

7. Gerald Wallace is a novel idea, one that I wish we could have done before he signed an extension that is paying him $11.5 mil this season and presumably beyond. While I'd LOVE to have him more than any other player on this list, Danny won't commit to that amount of salary for one player going forward. He would give us the BEST backup small forward in the league, but again, $11.5 mil is kind of pricy for one of those.

[droopdog7]

As usual, most of you are in fantasy land with your trade proposals.  Nate has no value to a bad team and possibly negative value to a good team.  Same for Luke and JO. 

The only way we can upgrade is to pick someone up off the waiver wire and trade good contracts for a bad contract. 

[clover]

Guys, I think all the speculation about this is a little premature on our parts. Sure if it turns out we're not going to have Marquis in the playoffs, then I believe Danny will start working to acquire somebody worthwhile to put in his place (hopefully not a Mikki Moore). If Danny doesn't do this, Doc is likely to jump down his throat.

But from the list of players you've come up with so far, some of them aren't going to happen and I'm ECSTATIC that some of them aren't going to happen.

1. Jamario Moon is a chump. His most significant NBA accomplishment was being in the dunk competition. There's a reason he's sitting on the worst team in the NBA's bench. He's all athleticism and no substance.

2. Based on the forums, we all pretty much hated Tony Allen until he was gone, no? You can't say we weren't critical of him. Maybe at the beginning of the year we thought we really needed him, but now with him struggling to see the floor in Memphis, I think we can all attest to the fact that he was what he was because he was on a team full of future HOF's.

3. Rip would be ideal if he is bought out, and I think we could get him to play a little bit of the 3 to spell Paul. The 3 is a wing position, just like the 2, and as long as the players can read the play diagrams, they're not going to be lost schematically. Especially not 10+ year vets. So it's all about the macthups. If Rip ends up on Lebron, so what? Ray has ended up on Lebron on a switch before, and TA was a SHOOTING GUARD when he defended Lebron. I just think it's not as big of a deal as some people are making it. Basketball players the likes of Rip can just play, period.

4. Pietrus has never been one of my favorite players, simply because he always seems to be breaking out and then he'll make a mistake (missed 3, bad pass, dumb foul, etc.). The guy has always surprised me in how he's able to look so good at times and so lackluster at others. How many open 3's has this guy missed in clutch situations? And now you say he's been sitting the bench in Phoenix? So why do we want him after his confidence may be further drained. I really think this guy has voices telling him he's not good enough in his head. Also, they don't need a point guard at all, they have 3 on their roster in Nash, Dragic and Dowdell.

5. In 2009 I was willing to lead the Grant Hill parade if he signed with us, but now, eh, two years older is hard thing to stomach. I don't want to make our team even older, even if it means leaving one of my favorite NBA players to rot in the desert.

6. Tayshaun Prince would represent a coup d'etat if we could bring him in here. It's that simple.

7. Gerald Wallace is a novel idea, one that I wish we could have done before he signed an extension that is paying him $11.5 mil this season and presumably beyond. While I'd LOVE to have him more than any other player on this list, Danny won't commit to that amount of salary for one player going forward. He would give us the BEST backup small forward in the league, but again, $11.5 mil is kind of pricy for one of those.

As to #2, I'd take our chump back at this point.

[clover]

lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Nah. You can't count on Quis anymore. You never could, really.

Ainge needs to make a move before the deadline (or have a post-deadline pickup in mind).

I can't lie, I can't help but take your post less seriously cause of that bolded line, almost suggesting you've let Daniels being injured confirm your prior lack of faith in him as opposed to objectively assessing whether he can actually help us in the playoffs, if not later in the regular season.

If he's back in 1.5 months, that's mid-March. Plenty of time for Marquis to get back in stride considering he's actually been playing for most of the season. He definitely has to be given a better chance of helping us in the playoffs than JO.

Dude was temporarily paralyzed after an NBA play that happens several times a game.  He did the same thing in last years playoffs and got a concussion.  I honestly don't think the guy should play again.  You just don't mess with a fragile nervous system in a such a contact-heavy sport, especially when your game is bodying up guys like LeBron on D and posting up.

Agreed. Suspect his season is over, at the minimum.

I doubt he's done for good, but if he were, wouldn't that free up a roster spot so Danny could add a player without cutting or trading one?

[Adelaide Celt]

I agree that regardless of whether Marquis could be ready for the playoffs, we should not count on him being ready.  The severity of the injury, the injury history and the career-long durability issues create big question marks for an important bench player, considering LeBron, Kobe and Manu are likely on the C's road to the finals.

However, despite Moon likely being cheap, he is certainly not the answer.  He is no better than Von Wafer and the man is a stick.  Beyond that, do you remember him being able to stick on Paul in the playoffs?  Because I don't.  And while Wafer certainly isn't known as a great defender, I've been impressed with his effort on that end. 

I'd love to see them try to pry Pietrus out of Phoenix.  I don't know why Orlando got rid of him.  This guy is a strong, quick, physical player (no wonder why he gathers dust in the desert) and he can hit the 3.  Sure he doesn't provide the positional flexibility that Quis does but with DWest/Wafer/Nate that flexibility isn't really needed.

So the question becomes, how do we get him from Phoenix to Boston.  Plus, how great would it be to watch Pietrus shut down J-Rich before knocking down a dagger from the corner.

I realize Jamario Moon is not a renowned defender but surely he would provide better defense at small forward than Wafer? Moon is 6'8, been known to rack up a few steals and blocks on his day as well.

Pietrus, Hamilton or Prince would be fantastic but don't think we could realistically get any of them. Moon should be easier to acquire.

[Birdbrain]

A buyout is there only real viable option and that's very slim.  There will be no trade for 2 reasons.

1. All the players worth anything are more important than a back up wing

2. Those that aren't won't bring in anything.

So be happy with what we have (more than everyone else in the league) and hope for DWest and the rest to be healthy by the playoffs.  Which most likely will be case so as usual this type of post is an over reaction and unrealistic. 

[jsingh1699]

antoine walker??

jk

[fairweatherfan]

I think we all know the answer to this question, and it begins and ends with two little initials:

G. G.

...that's right, George Gervin.  We're bringing back the Iceman!  Make it happen Danny!

[Txusberg]

Would you cut Luke and sign Jerry Stackhouse? I would do it for two reasons.
1) He was cut from the Heat early in the season. It would be amazing if he could help us beat the Lebron&Co.
2) Last year, when he played for the Bucks he did way better than expected. So why not this year? I know he is old as dirt but i think he could do better than Finley last year.

Other option: Sasha Pavlovic anyone? When he played for Dallas in a 10 day contract he did well eventhough he got cut later. I heard New Orleans were targeting him, but i don't know if he signed there yet.

Anyways I hope Marquis recovers well and helps us get Banner 18! Go Celtics!

[Jon]

After 24 hours, I'm warming to the idea of Von Wafer backing up Pierce?  Is he undersized?  Yes.  However, his offensive game is emerging and he's playing hard on the defensive end.  While I'm sure Danny could get some 6-8 swingman if he really wanted to, I'm not sure that swingman is going to be a net gain over Wafer. 

I mean is (fill in the blank) 6-8 bench player that's easily available really going to do any better than Wafer on LeBron?  And Wafer certainly will make LeBron work harder on the defensive end than he would guarding some 6-8 player who presents little offensive threat.  And let's face it, it's really only LeBron that we're worried about. 

Now if we could get a legit SF, I'm all for it.  But I don't think Danny should just bring any 6-7+ body he can find. 

[317]

what about Andres Nocioni? trading JO we would have to take on 1 more year of salary but we would get a 3-4 who can actually play(not saying he would play well but i dont thing JO is going to play again, ever) and has the size to guard the SFs were worried about.

[clover]

After 24 hours, I'm warming to the idea of Von Wafer backing up Pierce?  Is he undersized?  Yes.  However, his offensive game is emerging and he's playing hard on the defensive end.  While I'm sure Danny could get some 6-8 swingman if he really wanted to, I'm not sure that swingman is going to be a net gain over Wafer. 

I mean is (fill in the blank) 6-8 bench player that's easily available really going to do any better than Wafer on LeBron?  And Wafer certainly will make LeBron work harder on the defensive end than he would guarding some 6-8 player who presents little offensive threat.  And let's face it, it's really only LeBron that we're worried about. 

Now if we could get a legit SF, I'm all for it.  But I don't think Danny should just bring any 6-7+ body he can find. 

With the C's schedule, we should see how Wafer does against some pretty good competition pretty quickly.