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Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2011, 12:10:18 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

The less we see of Luke, the better. He may end up being a decent 9th or 10th guy some day, but right now he should be a 13th or 14th guy.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2011, 12:11:56 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Ask yourself this question... if (God forbid) Ray or PP went down for a stretch, would you be okay with either Luke or Wafer starting? Quis could start a few regular season games for us and I wouldn't have been worried too much, but to tell me that either one of those guys is capable of starting if need be, I'd throw-up! Wafer isn't that bad but he is no Quis... a undervalued guy who does a lot of little things that don't show up on the box score.
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Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2011, 12:57:56 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Nah. You can't count on Quis anymore. You never could, really.

Ainge needs to make a move before the deadline (or have a post-deadline pickup in mind).

I can't lie, I can't help but take your post less seriously cause of that bolded line, almost suggesting you've let Daniels being injured confirm your prior lack of faith in him as opposed to objectively assessing whether he can actually help us in the playoffs, if not later in the regular season.

If he's back in 1.5 months, that's mid-March. Plenty of time for Marquis to get back in stride considering he's actually been playing for most of the season. He definitely has to be given a better chance of helping us in the playoffs than JO.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2011, 01:08:48 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Nah. You can't count on Quis anymore. You never could, really.

Ainge needs to make a move before the deadline (or have a post-deadline pickup in mind).

I can't lie, I can't help but take your post less seriously cause of that bolded line, almost suggesting you've let Daniels being injured confirm your prior lack of faith in him as opposed to objectively assessing whether he can actually help us in the playoffs, if not later in the regular season.

If he's back in 1.5 months, that's mid-March. Plenty of time for Marquis to get back in stride considering he's actually been playing for most of the season. He definitely has to be given a better chance of helping us in the playoffs than JO.

My lack of faith in his durability is more than well-founded. Doesn't really matter if you take it seriously or not.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2011, 01:18:05 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Nah. You can't count on Quis anymore. You never could, really.

Ainge needs to make a move before the deadline (or have a post-deadline pickup in mind).

I can't lie, I can't help but take your post less seriously cause of that bolded line, almost suggesting you've let Daniels being injured confirm your prior lack of faith in him as opposed to objectively assessing whether he can actually help us in the playoffs, if not later in the regular season.

If he's back in 1.5 months, that's mid-March. Plenty of time for Marquis to get back in stride considering he's actually been playing for most of the season. He definitely has to be given a better chance of helping us in the playoffs than JO.

Dude was temporarily paralyzed after an NBA play that happens several times a game.  He did the same thing in last years playoffs and got a concussion.  I honestly don't think the guy should play again.  You just don't mess with a fragile nervous system in a such a contact-heavy sport, especially when your game is bodying up guys like LeBron on D and posting up.

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Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #50 on: February 07, 2011, 01:33:26 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Nah. You can't count on Quis anymore. You never could, really.

Ainge needs to make a move before the deadline (or have a post-deadline pickup in mind).

I can't lie, I can't help but take your post less seriously cause of that bolded line, almost suggesting you've let Daniels being injured confirm your prior lack of faith in him as opposed to objectively assessing whether he can actually help us in the playoffs, if not later in the regular season.

If he's back in 1.5 months, that's mid-March. Plenty of time for Marquis to get back in stride considering he's actually been playing for most of the season. He definitely has to be given a better chance of helping us in the playoffs than JO.

Dude was temporarily paralyzed after an NBA play that happens several times a game.  He did the same thing in last years playoffs and got a concussion.  I honestly don't think the guy should play again.  You just don't mess with a fragile nervous system in a such a contact-heavy sport, especially when your game is bodying up guys like LeBron on D and posting up.



Agreed. Suspect his season is over, at the minimum.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #51 on: February 07, 2011, 02:49:14 AM »

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lets stop with the guessing
Daniels could be back in 6 weeks
meanwhile Luke and Wafer get more time

Nah. You can't count on Quis anymore. You never could, really.

Ainge needs to make a move before the deadline (or have a post-deadline pickup in mind).

I can't lie, I can't help but take your post less seriously cause of that bolded line, almost suggesting you've let Daniels being injured confirm your prior lack of faith in him as opposed to objectively assessing whether he can actually help us in the playoffs, if not later in the regular season.

If he's back in 1.5 months, that's mid-March. Plenty of time for Marquis to get back in stride considering he's actually been playing for most of the season. He definitely has to be given a better chance of helping us in the playoffs than JO.

Dude was temporarily paralyzed after an NBA play that happens several times a game.  He did the same thing in last years playoffs and got a concussion.  I honestly don't think the guy should play again.  You just don't mess with a fragile nervous system in a such a contact-heavy sport, especially when your game is bodying up guys like LeBron on D and posting up.



If Marquis Daniels really feels that way about his body, I won't oppose him retiring. I do, to be honest, feel that there's something to what Master Po said.

 Trust me, I have the same worries about him. I'm a big fan of the NFL, I dunno if I can count on my fingers how many games were stopped cause of concussions or neck injuries or what have you and stretchers being needed like this game. Seeing that happen to Marquis wasn't fun, and it made me wonder whether he'd ever be able to walk again like some guys in the NFL that have been hit like that. To call him lucky is a huge understatement.

None the less, unless Marquis retires pretty much in the next few weeks, I'll assume he'll try to find a way to be ready for the playoffs. Maybe that's not the absolute best thing for Marquis health-wise, I'd admit. Still, he took less money to initially come here cause he wanted to be on a clear contender, a chance at a ring. That's enough for me to know that Marquis won't shut down himself so easily.

Hell, when you think about it, this has happened before here in Boston and as a Pacer, but I feel like he's never been soft on the court because of it. Honestly, he's got guts. No question he has a chance to comeback this season.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #52 on: February 07, 2011, 07:31:49 AM »

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I think Doc is going to have to get creative with lineups now - using a combination of out of position players

thinking 3 guard sets and maybe a little of Luke at the 3

if a better option becomes available via buyout (Rip?) great, but otherwise I doubt we make a move
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Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #53 on: February 07, 2011, 08:50:10 AM »

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If there is even a small chance Quis is not going to be ready for the playoffs the Celtics have to make a move.  JO and Nate for the best available.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2011, 08:55:30 AM »

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we can;'t count on Quis. He was never the same last year after the thumb and never the same after the concussion. he is a walking injury. i feel bad but they HAVE to address the glaring hole at SF

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2011, 10:02:37 AM »

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Von Wafer can probably play it.  Relax, PP , RA can both it.  We can rest one and play Von Wafer and repeat.  It's not ideal but it should work.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2011, 10:32:07 AM »

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Von Wafer can probably play it.  Relax, PP , RA can both it.  We can rest one and play Von Wafer and repeat.  It's not ideal but it should work.

If it's not ideal, then why settle on second best. Remember, "it's all about 18" not "good enough."

If the Celts can explore a trade, then by all means. I think Jamario Moon from Cleveland would be a good pick up, as another fan mentioned.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2011, 11:36:21 AM »

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I think Von Wafer is just as good if not BETTER
than Jamario Moon. Plus he already is working with
the 2nd Unit !

Someone we could get for nothing, a vet, who can play
SF and started at SF in his past is Ben Wallace.

Then we can cut Luke and have the Wallace Bros.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #58 on: February 07, 2011, 12:29:56 PM »

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I agree that regardless of whether Marquis could be ready for the playoffs, we should not count on him being ready.  The severity of the injury, the injury history and the career-long durability issues create big question marks for an important bench player, considering LeBron, Kobe and Manu are likely on the C's road to the finals.

However, despite Moon likely being cheap, he is certainly not the answer.  He is no better than Von Wafer and the man is a stick.  Beyond that, do you remember him being able to stick on Paul in the playoffs?  Because I don't.  And while Wafer certainly isn't known as a great defender, I've been impressed with his effort on that end. 

I'd love to see them try to pry Pietrus out of Phoenix.  I don't know why Orlando got rid of him.  This guy is a strong, quick, physical player (no wonder why he gathers dust in the desert) and he can hit the 3.  Sure he doesn't provide the positional flexibility that Quis does but with DWest/Wafer/Nate that flexibility isn't really needed.

So the question becomes, how do we get him from Phoenix to Boston.  Plus, how great would it be to watch Pietrus shut down J-Rich before knocking down a dagger from the corner.

Re: Well we all knew it would happen, we're without a backup SF
« Reply #59 on: February 07, 2011, 12:35:52 PM »

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I have to agree on something else from this -
if we can get Air France (Pietrus) I would
trade Nate for him, even if we have to toss in
a 3rd rounder or Luke/Bradley. Pietrus turns 29
tomorrow. He's got a long time left. Definitely
a better player than Nate, and you know I'm a Nate
apologist.