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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2011, 07:41:48 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2011, 07:42:50 PM »

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Combo guards are so tough to build around.  I think they ultimately will be on non-winning teams until they are just at the peak of their primes and it is realized they are best served as an electric 6th man who can come in for the 1 or the 2.

Just like Jason Terry.

Next are Devin Harris, Stucky, and Ellis.

Completely disagree about Devin Harris.

He's got a better passing rating (a weight statistic that gives more credit to close-range 2pt shots, and takes away more for passing turnovers) than Jameer Nelson. He's got a better assist ratio than Raymond Felton or Tony Parker, and he's got more assists per 48 mins than Russell Westbrook. He's got the 20th best assist to turnover ratio in the league.

He's a point guard, for sure.

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2011, 07:52:52 PM »

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Combo guards are so tough to build around.  I think they ultimately will be on non-winning teams until they are just at the peak of their primes and it is realized they are best served as an electric 6th man who can come in for the 1 or the 2.

Just like Jason Terry.

Next are Devin Harris, Stucky, and Ellis.

Completely disagree about Devin Harris.

He's got a better passing rating (a weight statistic that gives more credit to close-range 2pt shots, and takes away more for passing turnovers) than Jameer Nelson. He's got a better assist ratio than Raymond Felton or Tony Parker, and he's got more assists per 48 mins than Russell Westbrook. He's got the 20th best assist to turnover ratio in the league.

He's a point guard, for sure.

Not too impressive for a team worst in the NBA last year, 6th worst record this year. 

Stats are nice.  But I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron is better than Devin Harris in all of those stats.  Does that make Lebron a pg?  I realize lebron is one of the most unique players in the history of the NBA, but my point is, stats isn't what I use to put a player at a certain position.  I weight more heavily the player's overall game.

Where would you rank Harris on a list of point guards?  Probably a little outside the top 10.  Where would you rank him on a list of 6th men?  Easily top 5 and he has the extra valuable ability to play 2 positions off the bench rather than 1.
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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2011, 08:09:50 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #95 on: February 02, 2011, 08:11:32 PM »

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Combo guards are so tough to build around.  I think they ultimately will be on non-winning teams until they are just at the peak of their primes and it is realized they are best served as an electric 6th man who can come in for the 1 or the 2.

Just like Jason Terry.

Next are Devin Harris, Stucky, and Ellis.

Completely disagree about Devin Harris.

He's got a better passing rating (a weight statistic that gives more credit to close-range 2pt shots, and takes away more for passing turnovers) than Jameer Nelson. He's got a better assist ratio than Raymond Felton or Tony Parker, and he's got more assists per 48 mins than Russell Westbrook. He's got the 20th best assist to turnover ratio in the league.

He's a point guard, for sure.
I think those statistics flatter Devin Harris' passing ability.

He is a legit starting point guard though.

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2011, 08:16:18 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2011, 08:20:15 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2011, 08:22:47 PM »

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C: Brendan Haywood
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Firmly in the lead as the best team in the Western Conference.

Clear separation from the pack.

Agreed.  Billups is perfect for the triangle, and Batum and Haywood both fit in well.  Very strong team. 

Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2011, 08:24:37 PM »

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #100 on: February 02, 2011, 08:25:30 PM »

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Combo guards are so tough to build around.  I think they ultimately will be on non-winning teams until they are just at the peak of their primes and it is realized they are best served as an electric 6th man who can come in for the 1 or the 2.

Just like Jason Terry.

Next are Devin Harris, Stucky, and Ellis.

Completely disagree about Devin Harris.

He's got a better passing rating (a weight statistic that gives more credit to close-range 2pt shots, and takes away more for passing turnovers) than Jameer Nelson. He's got a better assist ratio than Raymond Felton or Tony Parker, and he's got more assists per 48 mins than Russell Westbrook. He's got the 20th best assist to turnover ratio in the league.

He's a point guard, for sure.

Not too impressive for a team worst in the NBA last year, 6th worst record this year.  

Stats are nice.  But I wouldn't be surprised if Lebron is better than Devin Harris in all of those stats.  Does that make Lebron a pg?  I realize lebron is one of the most unique players in the history of the NBA, but my point is, stats isn't what I use to put a player at a certain position.  I weight more heavily the player's overall game.

Where would you rank Harris on a list of point guards?  Probably a little outside the top 10.  Where would you rank him on a list of 6th men?  Easily top 5 and he has the extra valuable ability to play 2 positions off the bench rather than 1.

Yeah, somewhere right around 10.

But does that mean everyone who isn't a top 10 PG is a "Combo guard"?

Also, saying he'd be a good bench player doesn't mean he should be a good bench player.

Imagine if you could have Ray Allen come off the bench. He'd be the most potent, reliable instant offense machine in the NBA. If you're starting Kobe Bryant, then having Ray Allen come off the bench is an awesome idea.

But, most teams aren't starting Kobe Bryant..they're starting guys worse than Ray Allen.

Even if Devin Harris would be a great option off the bench (which he was when he was 23), he's still a better starting option than 50% of the starters in the league at the point, easy.

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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #101 on: February 02, 2011, 08:32:52 PM »

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Tier 1: Chris Paul, Deron Williams
Tier 2: Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Steve Nash, Derrick Rose
Tier 3: John Wall, Jason Kidd, Devin Harris, Raymond Felton, Tony Parker
Tier 4: Brandon Jennings, Andre Miller, Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry,

A certain Finals MVP feels slighted.


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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #102 on: February 02, 2011, 08:36:33 PM »

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Tier 1: Chris Paul, Deron Williams
Tier 2: Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Steve Nash, Derrick Rose
Tier 3: John Wall, Jason Kidd, Devin Harris, Raymond Felton, Tony Parker
Tier 4: Brandon Jennings, Andre Miller, Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry,

A certain Finals MVP feels slighted.

Ah, Billups....he's on the kidd tier too.

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« Reply #103 on: February 02, 2011, 08:45:27 PM »

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Tier 1: Chris Paul, Deron Williams
Tier 2: Rajon Rondo, Russell Westbrook, Steve Nash, Derrick Rose
Tier 3: John Wall, Jason Kidd, Devin Harris, Raymond Felton, Tony Parker
Tier 4: Brandon Jennings, Andre Miller, Mike Conley, Kyle Lowry,

A certain Finals MVP feels slighted.

Ah, Billups....he's on the kidd tier too.

Tony Parker feels slighted that you refer to his tier as "The Kidd Tier"...Raymond Felton, on the other hand, is just fine with the whole idea.
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Re: How is my Pick 2 team?
« Reply #104 on: February 02, 2011, 08:46:29 PM »

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C: Brendan Haywood
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Firmly in the lead as the best team in the Western Conference.

Clear separation from the pack.

Agreed.  Billups is perfect for the triangle, and Batum and Haywood both fit in well.  Very strong team. 
I am not that high on Billups in the triangle.

I think it limits him considerably (his value as a passer and floor general) ... but it doesn't matter, he is still a quality player and the rest of the team of is very strong.

I think LA would have been better off with a George Hill type. Someone who is scrappier defensively and brings just as much shooting + scoring to the table.