The Pick Two Draft Thread 2011

[nickagneta]

Looking to move up into the 5th round.

Have 6.2, 6.16, 7.16, 8.16, 9.16 and 10.16.

Will do a swap of picks but want back same amount of picks as I deal away to be able to field a 12 man roster.

[KCattheStripe]

The grizzlies are in the chat.

[Lucky17]

Phoenix will consider offers for players on its roster, and for the 5.13.

[Chris]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

[Roy H.]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

Solid.  He's got some flaws, but he was one of the best players on the board, I think.

[Who]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

Jarrett Jack is having a very poor season by his standards (37.1% from the field and 24.6% from three) but he is a very capable player. Lovely pickup.

Great replacement for Kirk Hinrich. Jack will do very well as your starting PG in Dallas.

[Rondo2287]

Minnesota Selects : Ben Wallace

[KCattheStripe]

Minnesota Selects : Ben Wallace

DEFENSE! *CLAP CLAP* DEFENSE!

[Chris]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

Jarrett Jack is having a very poor season by his standards (37.1% from the field and 24.6% from three) but he is a very capable player. Lovely pickup.

Great replacement for Kirk Hinrich. Jack will do very well as your starting PG in Dallas.

Yeah, I think a big part of his issues is that he plays so much with the incredibly mediocre (to be nice) second unit in New Orleans, and he is not the type of player who can carry a unit.  Much like Hinrich, he is an incredibly useful player when he is surrounded by other quality players.  He can play good defense (particularly against bigger PG's), can hit the midrange shot, and the occasional 3, and is a very solid, if not spectacular passer.  

Since my offense will be running mostly through Roy and Dirk anyways, I really like Jack as a roleplayer.

[Who]

Minnesota Selects : Ben Wallace

Another very nice pick. Still a quality basketball.

I'd still like to see Minny add a big body defensive center. Someone with legitimate size. A seven footer or thereabouts who has the bulk to defend the position.

Ben Wallace is much more effective defensively when he has a bigger body to play off. Someone who can defend the five and free him up to be more active on help defense.

If you cannot get a defensive minded C, then an skilled offensive C (read: jump shot) like he had in Cleveland would work well (Big Ben's limitations offensively make him more difficult to pair with Shaq without doing considerable damage to your offense).

[Who]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

Jarrett Jack is having a very poor season by his standards (37.1% from the field and 24.6% from three) but he is a very capable player. Lovely pickup.

Great replacement for Kirk Hinrich. Jack will do very well as your starting PG in Dallas.

Yeah, I think a big part of his issues is that he plays so much with the incredibly mediocre (to be nice) second unit in New Orleans, and he is not the type of player who can carry a unit.  Much like Hinrich, he is an incredibly useful player when he is surrounded by other quality players.  He can play good defense (particularly against bigger PG's), can hit the midrange shot, and the occasional 3, and is a very solid, if not spectacular passer. 

Since my offense will be running mostly through Roy and Dirk anyways, I really like Jack as a roleplayer.

I am not wild about Jack's defense.

I don't think he has the quickness to be an above average defender at the point. Struggles against too many guys with quickness.

He does do well with bigger slower guards though and plays good team defense.

I thought he improved a great deal as a passer while with the Raptors. An above average passing PG nowadays. Shows much better vision and range in the types of passes he is able to make.

[Chris]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

Jarrett Jack is having a very poor season by his standards (37.1% from the field and 24.6% from three) but he is a very capable player. Lovely pickup.

Great replacement for Kirk Hinrich. Jack will do very well as your starting PG in Dallas.

Yeah, I think a big part of his issues is that he plays so much with the incredibly mediocre (to be nice) second unit in New Orleans, and he is not the type of player who can carry a unit.  Much like Hinrich, he is an incredibly useful player when he is surrounded by other quality players.  He can play good defense (particularly against bigger PG's), can hit the midrange shot, and the occasional 3, and is a very solid, if not spectacular passer.  

Since my offense will be running mostly through Roy and Dirk anyways, I really like Jack as a roleplayer.

I am not wild about Jack's defense.

I don't think he has the quickness to be an above average defender at the point. Struggles against too many guys with quickness.

He does do well with bigger guards slower guards though and plays good team defense.

I thought he improved a great deal as a passer while with the Raptors. An above average passing PG nowadays. Shows much better vision and range in the types of passes he is able to make.

I agree that he struggles against quicker guys (something I need to address).  I think he is a matchup defender.  He is going to be very useful against guys like Deron Williams and Chauncey Billups, but I am going to need to get him out of there against guys like Rondo. 

I also think having Chandler behind him, and playing in Dallas' zone system is going to really help to minimize his issues with quicker PG's.  I mean, he still has quicker feet than the current incarnation of Jason Kidd. 

[Roy H.]

I'm not sure if Wallace next to Josh Smith or Rashard Lewis works very well.  I understand the desire for a "defensive center", but Wallace's defense has fallen off a lot, and I think that would be even moreso without any interior presence.

For whatever it's worth -- probably not much -- Detroit's defense is substantially worse this year when Wallace is on the court than when he's off, both in terms of points allowed and eFG% allowed.  His "Opponent's PER" numbers are pretty bad, too, and his Dmult is pretty much league average.  Giving Wallace the benefit of the doubt, he's an average defensive center, and maybe the worst offensive center in the NBA.  

[Who]

Dallas selects the very underrated Jarrett Jack

Jarrett Jack is having a very poor season by his standards (37.1% from the field and 24.6% from three) but he is a very capable player. Lovely pickup.

Great replacement for Kirk Hinrich. Jack will do very well as your starting PG in Dallas.

Yeah, I think a big part of his issues is that he plays so much with the incredibly mediocre (to be nice) second unit in New Orleans, and he is not the type of player who can carry a unit.  Much like Hinrich, he is an incredibly useful player when he is surrounded by other quality players.  He can play good defense (particularly against bigger PG's), can hit the midrange shot, and the occasional 3, and is a very solid, if not spectacular passer. 

Since my offense will be running mostly through Roy and Dirk anyways, I really like Jack as a roleplayer.

I am not wild about Jack's defense.

I don't think he has the quickness to be an above average defender at the point. Struggles against too many guys with quickness.

He does do well with bigger guards slower guards though and plays good team defense.

I thought he improved a great deal as a passer while with the Raptors. An above average passing PG nowadays. Shows much better vision and range in the types of passes he is able to make.

I agree that he struggles against quicker guys (something I need to address).  I think he is a matchup defender.  He is going to be very useful against guys like Deron Williams and Chauncey Billups, but I am going to need to get him out of there against guys like Rondo. 

I also think having Chandler behind him, and playing in Dallas' zone system is going to really help to minimize his issues with quicker PG's.  I mean, he still has quicker feet than the current incarnation of Jason Kidd. 

Definitely, Tyson Chandler will be a major help.

I wouldn't be that worried about bringing in another PG to defend quicker guys. If you can get it, good, but I think your overall lineup will likely be best off with Jack out there at the PG alongside two wings and two bigs.

I mean, em ... I doubt you get a PG with enough quickness + defensive ability and overall quality to make up for benching Jack or switching Jack to SG and going small in some way.

The downgrade from Jack to the new PG will likely cost more than the improved defensive skill-set adds.

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Jarrett Jack is close enough to average defensively + with Tyson Chandler back there to provide excellent protection ... I just wouldn't be too concerned about how Jack matches up against quicker PGs. You might lose a little in the individual matchup but your overall lineup will likely be better off for having Jack out there.

I think Jack adds too much to your team. Is too valuable a role player.

[Who]

I'm not sure if Wallace next to Josh Smith or Rashard Lewis works very well.  I understand the desire for a "defensive center", but Wallace's defense has fallen off a lot, and I think that would be even moreso without any interior presence.

For whatever it's worth -- probably not much -- Detroit's defense is substantially worse this year when Wallace is on the court than when he's off, both in terms of points allowed and eFG% allowed.  His "Opponent's PER" numbers are pretty bad, too, and his Dmult is pretty much league average.  Giving Wallace the benefit of the doubt, he's an average defensive center, and maybe the worst offensive center in the NBA. 

I think Ben Wallace is still in the upper echelon of defensive PFs ... but as a center ... I view him closer to average defensively.

To get the best out of Ben, I think the majority of his playing time needs to come at the four.