KG's two technicals vs Phoenix

[barefacedmonk]

Yea..it's not like your leg skids a bit when you are on a basketball court and trying to stop.

I'm sure it was a calculated act on KG's part...he had the perfect timing and the right spot twice...

Was it the first time a player has landed on some other player's foot?No... but after reading some posts here..it sure sounds that way.

[Tgro]

This pretty much sums it up to a tee!


http://espn.go.com/blog/BostonCeltics/post/_/id/4680147/nba-no-punishment-for-cs


Frye took exception to a low (but seemingly unintentional) blow from Garnett as he followed through on a 3-point attempt and, after landing on Garnett's foot and tumbling to the ground, Frye sprang back up and got into Garnett's face as Boston players and fill-in coach Lawrence Frank rushed to separate the players.

Garnett could have faced stiffer punishment, including suspension, if the league had deemed his actions intentional or harmful, but upon review, it appears the two technicals will simply stand. Garnett now has six technical fouls on the season.

"I'm in the locker room, I was very surprised," Rivers told reporters. "I saw it on TV and I actually thought Channing Frye was the instigator. Kevin didn't jump in Channing Frye's face. I thought Channing Frye jumped in Kevin's face. I don't know how we get a throw out to Kevin on that. Who knows.

"The foul was [Frye] stepped on [Garnett's] foot. Channing Frye came down and landed on Kevin's foot. He definitely did that. Kevin didn't do it on purpose. That's all I saw with the foul. They showed that over and over again. That was pretty clear."

With the Celtics trailing 40-25, Rivers was ejected late in the second quarter after arguing with referee Steve Javie during a timeout. Rivers was hit with one technical foul and kept arguing with Javie, pointing to the official and his head as he yelled across the court.

Rivers got in a few more choice words before finally walking off the court.

Asked about how what precipitated the first technical, Rivers told reporters: ""[Javie] actually came into our huddle. We were standing there, he came up to us. I'll tell you exactly what was said. He said, 'You guys are complaining way too much.' And I said, 'Well, let's make the right calls.' And his answer back was, 'I'll make a call for you.' And that's how I got the tech."

Rivers could be seen on the broadcast chastising Javie, repeating, "It's all about you," and his mock clapping after the first technical led to Rivers' second infraction and his early departure.

"I didn't have any choice words for him," Rivers told reporters. "I didn't say a word. I didn't even swear then. You know what I said? 'It's about the game. It's not about one individual.' That's all I said, over and over again. Whatever, it wasn't about that -- why we lost the game. We didn't play well, I thought they played well. It happens."

[GreenFaith1819]

Slightly off-topic here, but I wonder why do The Boston Celtics always manage to get these "Questionable" Referee teams?

This is just me, but I am waiting for the day when Steve Javie gets a MIA or LA game, and tosses Phil, Spoelstra, Kobe, Lebron or Wade - the same way he tossed KG and Doc last night.

Only then, will the NBA take action on refs who get out of hand. Or - does the NBA need to be brought before Congress, just like NFL and MLB was?

The way I see it, Boston is not an attractive team in the Media. We have no "Superstars", "Prima-Donnas" here.

We "talk too much trash."

We are "Bullies."

We're "washed up." "Old."

IMO, this is why we draw refs that seem to have an agenda against us.

[barefacedmonk]

You're more likely to see the Hailey's comet twice in your lifetime than see LBJ or Wade being tossed out of the game.

[GreenFaith1819]

You're more likely to see the Hailey's comet twice in your lifetime than see LBJ or Wade being tossed out of the game.

LOL!

And the sad part about it is that it is true.

Wade's antics are not too bad, but Lebron? I've seen Lebron do things over the years...make gestures, and yet I haven't seen him tossed.

The refs always seem to give him a wide berth.

Kobe even got tossed this year. Will probably be the last time this millinium that it happens, though.

[Meadowlark_Scal]

What kg did was extremely dumb and non-professional. hitting the kid low like that on purpose because he is a youth...or whatever..there is better ways to show that you deserve respect. Make no mistake, in that game, and many other kg gets hit all around and hard  + dirty....but as a vet, you have to be able to give it back more discretely..you HAVE to give it back though. The celts get little help from the refs or the league with the excessive dirty physical interactions. Rondo is a prime example.

   I watched some of the chicago game last night..It is beyond bad how they coddle rose, the refs....I just am beyond words for the reasons they call fouls for him. He runs into people all the time on purpose, drops his shoulder, goes to the line. He adjusts like a bad kid to lax parents, more calls, more pushes..."how far can i go?".....This league needs to study the nfl refs to save it from illegitamcy....(championship wrestling!).

[billysan]

I think all of us know or should by now that our buddy KG consistently tries to get inside peoples head using verbal and physical methods during the course of a basketball game. He was definitely working on Frye and if he can get Channing to look down, then he will miss that shot more often than he makes it. He (KG) does frequently cross the line into dirty play but he is only one of quite a few players who do this.

The simple fact is, he got caught last nite and combining that with some frustration from our teams poor play caused a boil over by Doc and some of our other guys.

Time to move on.

[nba is the worst]

What kg did was extremely dumb and non-professional. hitting the kid low like that on purpose because he is a youth...or whatever..there is better ways to show that you deserve respect. Make no mistake, in that game, and many other kg gets hit all around and hard  + dirty....but as a vet, you have to be able to give it back more discretely..you HAVE to give it back though. The celts get little help from the refs or the league with the excessive dirty physical interactions. Rondo is a prime example.

   I watched some of the chicago game last night..It is beyond bad how they coddle rose, the refs....I just am beyond words for the reasons they call fouls for him. He runs into people all the time on purpose, drops his shoulder, goes to the line. He adjusts like a bad kid to lax parents, more calls, more pushes..."how far can i go?".....This league needs to study the nfl refs to save it from illegitamcy....(championship wrestling!).

Yet the calls Rose gets are nothing compared to leBron and wade's.

Rose this season shooting 6.1 ftpg, up from his career 4.2

Wade 9.3, LeBulldozer 9.0

[Chris]

Good point there, Vinnie.

Chris, I don't think playing dirty is acceptable and normal in basketball. It may happen a lot and may not always be seen, but when it is, it's hopefully called correctly. The game must have rules and lines drawn or dangerous and career-ending hits would routinely be made, which they're not.

No this is not hockey or football and definately not rugby, which I believe is a British sport. This is basketball where there are no pads or helmets worn by players. It is simply not comparable to these other sports in terms of physicalness. 

I absolutely agree.  Which is why I had no problem with him getting thrown out of the game (just thought it should have been a flagrant 2, rather than a personal and 2 technicals).

I just don't think an apology is at all appropriate.  The punishments/fouls are in place so apologies are not necessary.

In general, I don't think apologies belong in sports.  What happens on the court/field happens, and there are rules to determine whether they are right or wrong. 

Also, I don't think there was anything really dangerous here.  It was just a dirty play of KG hitting a defenseless guy below the belt.  It wasn't intent to injure, it was intent to intimidate.  It was a bushleague play, but it is not in the same catogory of a headhunting hit, or something like that.

[Tgro]

I still find myself a bit amazed at the backlash on our Celtics. I sat and watched the night before the Trailblazer's Przybilla jack a couple of our guys up and we kept playing clean. Yeah we got in his face a couple of times, but we kept it professional. Then you get Phoenix probably realizing we just came from a very physical game and and on the tail end of traveling back to backs so being physical with us probably assures them a win. So here they go bringing the physical play. Did anyone see Ray Allen get jacked 2 games in a row??? Man had a scar from the Trailblazers and got smacked in the face the very next game. I don't think he got a call either time although both times he was clearly jacked. Did anyone see Rondo getting flopped to the ground? And then we have this high elbow on KG and it woke us up. Do you guys expect the Celtics just be pansies and take this crap? We got the Lakers today. Should we just back off when they get physical because we are just goody-goodies? We also got called out by Orlando about a weak ago about how we aint tough. Do you want the Celtics to be soft? If they're gonna dish it out to us, then if you get it back don't cry. I seen all the T's and ejections go our way and none to the other teams. After seeing all I seen the last 2 games against us, calling KG bushleague is just bushleague. You guys make me wish he punched him as hard as he could of because that's what you're acting like he did. I don't know about you guys, but I cheer for the Celtics.

[looseball]

To those who believe that officials never affect games in a negative or biased fashion ... time to join the real world.

Amen to that!   (TP as well.)
While it's true refs don't win or lose games, the teams do, the refs can AFFECT the the outcome in basketball more so than in other sports, by making calls in bunches.
Basketball is a game of "runs" made by each team, and the refs can end a run any time they choose, merely by making a series of calls that favor the other team.  They may not be able to start a run so easily, but they certainly can lay the groundwork for one with a similar series of calls.

[mmbaby]

I'm ready to move on from this discussion too, just wanted to say to Chris that I agree KG should not be expected to apologize. Well....that would just be wussy.

I was merely disturbed that KG slide his leg under Frye so Frye would land on his foot. And I do think KG is experienced and good enough to know he did that and good enough to not do it accidently. Remember, that's the leg insertion, not the tap on the groin.

That is far more disturbing to me.

[kozlodoev]

And why would he bend over in pain if it wasn't a real hit.

Maybe if Garnett has rolled on the floor holding his head after Pietrus elbowed him, Pietrus would have been tossed? Just saying.

[NoraG1]

And why would he bend over in pain if it wasn't a real hit.

Maybe if Garnett has rolled on the floor holding his head after Pietrus elbowed him, Pietrus would have been tossed? Just saying.

Also when someone jumps up seconds after a hit like that it is pretty obvious he was FAKING it.