JO Out Again ( Big Man Health) Update: JO Needs Surgery/ Semih injures groin

[rondohondo]

So JO sat out again tonight vs Sacramento missing his 20th game of the year already ( has missed 20 of 37 games). His knee is giving him trouble even though he is only playing like 15 mins a game. This signing is looking horrible even if it is for only 2 years .

In addition to JO's injury , KG has been out for a few weeks and Shaq is always a concern with the amount of contact he takes he could easily sprain an ankle or strain a calf . We also have no idea how effective Perk will be coming off of major surgery and only being about 75% at best for the rest of this season.

I am really starting to think that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to bring sheed back, cut harongody or Semih. Sheed still brings more to the table than either of those guys and could come in handy if JO continues to struggle with injuries .

He also gives us another match-up advantage by being able to drag guys like Dwight Howard and Bynum/ Gasol away from the basket. None of the big men on our roster has the ability to pull the other teams big man beyond the arc, this opens up driving lanes for Rondo, Pierce,Nate,Daniels, West and takes a shot blocker away from the basket .

[DinTN]

So JO sat out again tonight vs Sacramento missing his 20th game of the year already ( has missed 20 of 37 games). His knee is giving him trouble even though he is only playing like 15 mins a game. This signing is looking horrible even if it is for only 2 years .

In addition to JO's injury , KG has been out for a few weeks and Shaq is always a concern with the amount of contact he takes he could easily sprain an ankle or strain a calf .

I am really starting to think that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to bring sheed back, cut harongody or Semih. Sheed still brings more to the table than either of those guys and could come in handy if JO continues to struggle with injuries .

He also gives us another match-up advantage by being able to drag guys like Dwight Howard and Bynum/ Gasol away from the basket. None of the big men on our roster has the ability to pull the other teams big man beyond the arc, this opens up driving lanes for Rondo, Pierce,Nate,Daniels, West and takes a shot blocker away from the basket .

Right on!

[PosImpos]

I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

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I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

It's so sad to have to completely agree with this.

[hpantazo]

I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

[billysan]

So JO sat out again tonight vs Sacramento missing his 20th game of the year already ( has missed 20 of 37 games). His knee is giving him trouble even though he is only playing like 15 mins a game. This signing is looking horrible even if it is for only 2 years .

In addition to JO's injury , KG has been out for a few weeks and Shaq is always a concern with the amount of contact he takes he could easily sprain an ankle or strain a calf . We also have no idea how effective Perk will be coming off of major surgery and only being about 75% at best for the rest of this season.

I am really starting to think that it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to bring sheed back, cut harongody or Semih. Sheed still brings more to the table than either of those guys and could come in handy if JO continues to struggle with injuries .

He also gives us another match-up advantage by being able to drag guys like Dwight Howard and Bynum/ Gasol away from the basket. None of the big men on our roster has the ability to pull the other teams big man beyond the arc, this opens up driving lanes for Rondo, Pierce,Nate,Daniels, West and takes a shot blocker away from the basket .

So if JO cant stay healthy enough to contribute, you trade someone else to compensate? I think I look for a team ready to dump salary or who needs a third to make a deal happen and look for a player to improve our roster at any position.

Rather have a healthy Semih Erden next to KG than a hurtin JO that cant play enough to contribute. Luke Harangody dressed is still better than JO in a suit isnt he?

I like the idea of bringing back Sheed if we have a spot. I dont see any good reason to cut a healthy player who has proven he can contribute even in spot minutes and keep a broken down injured guy who may not even be able to dress.

Just a different opinion.

[PosImpos]

I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

Erden and Perk at 50%.  Who wants to go against Dwight Howard with that?

Best case scenario (for our team, anyway) is that JO is diagnosed with a career-ending injury and we can cut him and have the rest of his contract covered by insurance.  Then we can sign Sheed (or somebody else who can actually play) without having to cut any actual players.

[hpantazo]

I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

Erden and Perk at 50%.  Who wants to go against Dwight Howard with that?

exactly. Not to mention Gasol and Bynum or Tim Duncan

[vinnie]

I just came here to start the same thread. I think jo's career is close to over and it looks like a horrible signing. Shaq is really looking old and slow and can't rebound. Baby right now is a glorified shooting guard. Semih is a rookie who won't get big minutes in the playoffs. Kg's injury seems to be keeping him out longer than expected. Finally, we should not expect too much from perk. What we thought was an unreal strenhth at the beginning of the season really does not look that way right now. I am worried big time about it. They are going to need help up front to have a shot at the title.

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I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

Erden and Perk at 50%.  Who wants to go against Dwight Howard with that?

Best case scenario (for our team, anyway) is that JO is diagnosed with a career-ending injury and we can cut him and have the rest of his contract covered by insurance.  Then we can sign Sheed without having to cut any actual players.

The odds of even seeing Dwight in the playoffs are far from a sure thing, though...depending on seeding, I mean.

But JO is on my "ship out" list at this point.  Perhaps Wyc will feel spendy and get in on the upcoming Denver trade by taking on Harrington's deal.  He could help us.  Not ideal, but he'd help us.

[PosImpos]

I just came here to start the same thread. I think jo's career is close to over and it looks like a horrible signing. Shaq is really looking old and slow and can't rebound. Baby right now is a glorified shooting guard. Semih is a rookie who won't get big minutes in the playoffs. Kg's injury seems to be keeping him out longer than expected. Finally, we should not expect too much from perk. What we thought was an unreal stretch at the beginning of th ter really does not look that way right now. I am worried big time about it.

Well, is it any huge surprise that our great stretch at the beginning of the season when our old team was mostly healthy gets totally derailed once we start having to deal with injuries?  We should have figured this team would come crashing back to Earth once their age caught up with them.

I never believed the people who said that JO was totally finished and all of that (he's only 32 after all), but it appears to be true.

I hope Shaq can still keep enough in the tank to be helpful in the playoffs.  If we can give him some rest and allow him to play no more than 20 minutes a night that might be possible.  If we don't add some depth, though, that's not going to matter.

It is pretty unreal that a team that went into the season with 4 centers on the roster and 7 bigs total is having problems with frontcourt depth.

[vinnie]

How can theybtake on anyone without cap space?

[PosImpos]

I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

Erden and Perk at 50%.  Who wants to go against Dwight Howard with that?

Best case scenario (for our team, anyway) is that JO is diagnosed with a career-ending injury and we can cut him and have the rest of his contract covered by insurance.  Then we can sign Sheed without having to cut any actual players.

The odds of even seeing Dwight in the playoffs are far from a sure thing, though...depending on seeding, I mean.

But JO is on my "ship out" list at this point.  Perhaps Wyc will feel spendy and get in on the upcoming Denver trade by taking on Harrington's deal.  He could help us.  Not ideal, but he'd help us.

The problem is, who the heck is going to take JO off our hands?  The reason we're looking to get rid of him is because he's done, and he's not an expiring contract.  We'd have to pay another team just to take him off our hands. 

[PosImpos]

How can theybtake on anyone without cap space?

The same way they do every year...waiver wire and mini-trades.  Got to hope we can add somebody who can actually contribute that way (as PJ Brown did).

[hpantazo]

How can theybtake on anyone without cap space?

they can take any vet minimum player if they cut someone