JO Out Again ( Big Man Health) Update: JO Needs Surgery/ Semih injures groin

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I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

Erden and Perk at 50%.  Who wants to go against Dwight Howard with that?

Best case scenario (for our team, anyway) is that JO is diagnosed with a career-ending injury and we can cut him and have the rest of his contract covered by insurance.  Then we can sign Sheed without having to cut any actual players.

The odds of even seeing Dwight in the playoffs are far from a sure thing, though...depending on seeding, I mean.

But JO is on my "ship out" list at this point.  Perhaps Wyc will feel spendy and get in on the upcoming Denver trade by taking on Harrington's deal.  He could help us.  Not ideal, but he'd help us.

The problem is, who the heck is going to take JO off our hands?  The reason we're looking to get rid of him is because he's done, and he's not an expiring contract.  We'd have to pay another team just to take him off our hands. 

Yeah...no kidding.  It's a tough business for owners, too.

Denver for Harrington?

[vinnie]

How can theybtake on anyone without cap space?

The same way they do every year...waiver wire and mini-trades.  Got to hope we can add somebody who can actually contribute that way (as PJ Brown did).

But they need roster spaces and cap space. And no one is going to take Jo of their hands.

[PosImpos]

I think JO is cooked.  So far he's been a worse MLE-signing than Sheed was at this point last year.  Yeah, I didn't think that was possible, either.

Add that to the fact that since Shaq went out with his knee injury he hasn't been very effective or energetic out there, and our vaunted frontcourt isn't look so deep or so formidable anymore.

JO is totally cooked, he can barely make it through short stints in 1/3 of the games. It's time to bring back Sheed. Shaq is also looking very much like a 40 year old lug these days, maybe all the snow and cold is getting to him, but unless people want to rely on Erden for the playoffs, we better get Sheed back in here.

Erden and Perk at 50%.  Who wants to go against Dwight Howard with that?

Best case scenario (for our team, anyway) is that JO is diagnosed with a career-ending injury and we can cut him and have the rest of his contract covered by insurance.  Then we can sign Sheed without having to cut any actual players.

The odds of even seeing Dwight in the playoffs are far from a sure thing, though...depending on seeding, I mean.

But JO is on my "ship out" list at this point.  Perhaps Wyc will feel spendy and get in on the upcoming Denver trade by taking on Harrington's deal.  He could help us.  Not ideal, but he'd help us.

The problem is, who the heck is going to take JO off our hands?  The reason we're looking to get rid of him is because he's done, and he's not an expiring contract.  We'd have to pay another team just to take him off our hands. 

Yeah...no kidding.  It's a tough business for owners, too.

Denver for Harrington?

Unless JO is diagnosed with some kind of career-threatening injury that will allow a team to claim insurance on his contract, there's no way we're going to be able to trade him for another player who can actually play and contribute.  Just doesn't make sense from the other team's perspective.

Even taking on the contract of a player who has a few years left on his deal wouldn't necessarily get it done, since many owners seem to be betting that the new CBA will change or nullify current long term overblown contracts.

[PosImpos]

How can theybtake on anyone without cap space?

The same way they do every year...waiver wire and mini-trades.  Got to hope we can add somebody who can actually contribute that way (as PJ Brown did).

But they need roster spaces and cap space. And no one is going to take Jo of their hands.

Yeah, we'll have to do a mini trade like we did last year with House and Walker, or waive somebody.  I don't really know, though.  There's no simple solution.  It sucks.

[billysan]

Just ran a Steve Nash for JO and Nate Robinson trade scenario on RealGM and it works. Not saying this is the premier trade, but throw in a draft pick, cash and comparable salaries on another player and you have a workable scenario for a decent player.

[PosImpos]

Just ran a Steve Nash for JO and Nate Robinson trade scenario on RealGM and it works. Not saying this is the premier trade, but throw in a draft pick, cash and comparable salaries on another player and you have a workable scenario for a decent player.

Yeah, we just need to get something really heinous with which to blackmail Lance Banks and / or Robert Sarver.

[pearljammer10]

Just ran a Steve Nash for JO and Nate Robinson trade scenario on RealGM and it works. Not saying this is the premier trade, but throw in a draft pick, cash and comparable salaries on another player and you have a workable scenario for a decent player.

Yeah the Suns certainly jump all over that one 


I really hope this isnt a huge set back for JO. He was playing so well, I love having him out there on the defensive end. How is it that no trainer is ever able to figure out whats going on with this guys knee and is able to at least help it a little bit?

[vinnie]

Just ran a Steve Nash for JO and Nate Robinson trade scenario on RealGM and it works. Not saying this is the premier trade, but throw in a draft pick, cash and comparable salaries on another player and you have a workable scenario for a decent player.

This team needs a big man and there is no way in a million years the Suns make this trade.

[vinnie]

Just ran a Steve Nash for JO and Nate Robinson trade scenario on RealGM and it works. Not saying this is the premier trade, but throw in a draft pick, cash and comparable salaries on another player and you have a workable scenario for a decent player.

Yeah the Suns certainly jump all over that one 


I really hope this isnt a huge set back for JO. He was playing so well, I love having him out there on the defensive end. How is it that no trainer is ever able to figure out whats going on with this guys knee and is able to at least help it a little bit?

Last time his knee swelled he missed 19 games.

[Tai]

How predictable.

JO can't play and everyone wants him traded instantly.

What else is new? 

[billysan]

Just ran a Steve Nash for JO and Nate Robinson trade scenario on RealGM and it works. Not saying this is the premier trade, but throw in a draft pick, cash and comparable salaries on another player and you have a workable scenario for a decent player.

Yeah the Suns certainly jump all over that one  


I really hope this isnt a huge set back for JO. He was playing so well, I love having him out there on the defensive end. How is it that no trainer is ever able to figure out whats going on with this guys knee and is able to at least help it a little bit?

Last time his knee swelled he missed 19 games.

As I said, not the premier trade scenario, but an example of numbers matching. I could have used any number of names in place of Nash. Plenty of teams will want to dump salary and 'name players' on big contracts this spring with the lockout looming.

It will be a buyers market to be sure. As someone said, if JO's knee is truly an insurance claim, then that makes this even more feasible. Fact is, he will probably play just enough to keep us interested and suddenly be available for the playoffs anyway.

[Megatron]

JO is done for the season as far as a consistent big man rotation player, the guy is just never going to be healthy.

The changes of JO being healthy, able, and available for the entire playoffs are slim to none, he can barely handle 15 minutes a game for 2 weeks.

Celtics need to find a way to get rid of J.O. and get a legit bench big that plays defense, rebounds, and blocks shots.

In the playoffs, Shaq, KG, Perk, and Baby will be getting the majority of minutes, JO and Erden will barely get any playing time.

BUT, for the majority of the regular season we will need to get rid of J.O. somehow if we want to make it to the playoffs with our big men rested.

[PosImpos]

How predictable.

JO can't play and everyone wants him traded instantly.

What else is new? 

It's not so much that he couldn't play tonight, it's why he couldn't play tonight.  His knee is swelling again, and as Vinnie pointed out, the last time that happened he missed 19 games.  If he misses another 19 games, he'll have missed almost half the season.  On the broadcast tonight, they mentioned that it seems to be something really serious going on with his knee; given JO's past injury issues, this could be a sign that he's at the end of his rope.

Thus, the discussion of trading him / finding a replacement.

[vinnie]

How predictable.

JO can't play and everyone wants him traded instantly.

What else is new? 

First, he has missed a majority of the team's games this season, and it is appears at least one of his knees is toast. Second, how many games is he going to miss this time? Do you think the guy is dependable? Finally, I don't want him traded, but if it turns out he can't play they might need to figure out how to get another big man.

[Eja117]

The team to do a trade with is Cleveland. Pretty sure they'd be more than happy to do what it takes to ruin Lebron's year. Then they'd be like "Karma's a b****".

Varajao and Antoine Jamison.

Send over young guys, some cash, JO, and draft picks.

Get it done.