Dickerson : "Muscle underneath and around the knee was tested"

[timpiker]

From watching KG feeling his KNEE and Eddie Lacerte feeling his KNEE on the bench....it was not a lower leg injury or calf injury as indicated by Doc who is full of it. 

Its something with the KNEE and we can only hope that maybe its just scar tissue tearing which I think is normal after surgeries.  But it does seem strange that its doing this 1.5 years after the surgery.  Just never heard of it happening this long after surgery.

I know it sure looked like deja vu all over agin because it happened when he jumped and not when he landed.  Same as before.

[Bahku]

If it was a re-injury of the knee, or any kind of soft tissue injury, he would not have been putting ANY pressure on it ... if you watch him leaving the court, he was barely limping. Not serious ... muscle pull.

[Yugocelt]

TP Bak


How about just going with the most logical conclusion?

We've heard from most if not all sources that it's not the knee and it's some kind of muscle injury on the lower leg.  Obviously we'll find out more tomorrow but we can probably rest assured its not the knee.

[Greenbean]

If it was a re-injury of the knee, or any kind of soft tissue injury, he would not have been putting ANY pressure on it ... if you watch him leaving the court, he was barely limping. Not serious ... muscle pull.

I hope youre right Bahk Star. TP my man.

[Yugocelt]

An interesting take:

(Note: I am about to speculate. I am no doctor, but I did a lot of research and the following speculation is a partially-educated estimate.)

According to A. Sherrod Blakely, the muscle injury is directly below the right knee. His report was slightly different (and more detailed) than the team’s official report, which sounded like a kindergartener pretending to diagnose his friend. A “muscle injury to the outside of his right leg, below the knee and above the ankle”? Really? A comparison to that description would be if James Naismith had explained, “the free throw line will fall at some point between midcourt and the peach basket,” or if someone told you, “Bang a left turn after the third set of lights and before the ninth set of lights.”

Oddly enough, the injury, as Blakey describes it, is the exact same spot KG injured in 2009. In 2009, KG suffered a strained popliteus tendon, which was complicated by bone spurs that had bothered him all season long. The popliteus tendon, located directly below the knee, attaches the popliteus muscle to the knee. KG’s injury tonight was in very close proximity to the popliteus tendon, and looked almost identical to the ’09 injury.

Thankfully, KG, at least as far as I know, isn’t bothered by the same bone spurs he was in ’09. By “as far as I know,” I mean that the x-rays came back negative. If the Celtics are truthful about no damage seen in the x-rays, then it’s safe to assume KG has no bone spurs.

In ’09, KG’s bone spurs, according to Jackie MacMullan, were vicious. “The spur was so large it had to be broken into pieces to be removed,” MacMullan wrote. “In hindsight, his medical team concurred, it was amazing he played as long as he did.”

Of course, the Celtics claim the injury is muscular, which would further rule out the strained tendon he suffered in ’09.

If the injury is muscular, as the Celtics insist, the KG likely wouldn’t miss more than 3-4 months. The other muscles below the knee, besides the popliteus, are the plantaris, gastrocnemius, semimembranosus and plantaris. Damage to tendons or ligaments could be more detrimental, and more likely to require surgery, as “muscle has more tissue to help it sustain a resistive load.” If the Celtics are right about KG’s injury being strictly muscular, this is good. Even in the worst case scenario (of muscle injuries), I imagine KG would return ready for the playoffs.

Why do I even speculate when the Celtics don’t seem overly concerned? The Celtics are one team I don’t trust when it comes to injuries. They have taken the term “Belichickian” to another level. Remember back in 2009? We all thought Garnett would be back before the playoffs. Why? Because that’s what the Celtics led us to believe. They completely shielded us from the truth, which was that Garnett’s knee was worse than any of us knew, and that he would need surgery (and months of rehab, AND a year of being a shell of himself) before returning to normal.

If the Celtics were the Blazers, I could trust them. When Greg Oden injures himself, the Blazers tell you about it. When Brandon Roy is missing certain ligaments, the Blazers let you know. But if Oden had played on the Celtics, we probably would have heard he sprained his knee. And if Roy had played for the Celtics, they probably would have told us he was just bothered by a bruise. The C’s have a way of understating most injuries, a way of concealing the truth behind a veil of fibs.

All of which is why I’m not quite ecstatic to hear about KG’s muscle injury, which — if all the news is truthful — would not be the worst thing in the world. A muscle injury isn’t great, but it certainly beats the alternative. I can live with KG missing a few months, and then returning mostly healthy for the playoffs. What I can’t live with is a repeat of the ’09 knee injury, which could honestly end KG’s career.

Is the “this is a muscular injury, and an MRI will be administered tomorrow” news good? No, not at all. As Doc Rivers said, “You’ve heard me say it before. Injuries when no one’s around are always severe ones.”

But the Celtics don’t seem convinced the injury is overly severe, and — for now, at least – I’m willing to hesitantly believe them. Maybe it’s because I want to believe them, or maybe it’s because I think they’re actually telling the truth. I can’t tell.

Either way, I have my fingers crossed. The Celtics season could be decided tomorrow in a doctor’s office. I’m queasy just thinking about it.


http://www.celticstown.com/2010/12/30/kevin-garnetts-injury-the-breakdown/

[Greenbean]

An interesting take:

(Note: I am about to speculate. I am no doctor, but I did a lot of research and the following speculation is a partially-educated estimate.)

According to A. Sherrod Blakely, the muscle injury is directly below the right knee. His report was slightly different (and more detailed) than the team’s official report, which sounded like a kindergartener pretending to diagnose his friend. A “muscle injury to the outside of his right leg, below the knee and above the ankle”? Really? A comparison to that description would be if James Naismith had explained, “the free throw line will fall at some point between midcourt and the peach basket,” or if someone told you, “Bang a left turn after the third set of lights and before the ninth set of lights.”

Oddly enough, the injury, as Blakey describes it, is the exact same spot KG injured in 2009. In 2009, KG suffered a strained popliteus tendon, which was complicated by bone spurs that had bothered him all season long. The popliteus tendon, located directly below the knee, attaches the popliteus muscle to the knee. KG’s injury tonight was in very close proximity to the popliteus tendon, and looked almost identical to the ’09 injury.

Thankfully, KG, at least as far as I know, isn’t bothered by the same bone spurs he was in ’09. By “as far as I know,” I mean that the x-rays came back negative. If the Celtics are truthful about no damage seen in the x-rays, then it’s safe to assume KG has no bone spurs.

In ’09, KG’s bone spurs, according to Jackie MacMullan, were vicious. “The spur was so large it had to be broken into pieces to be removed,” MacMullan wrote. “In hindsight, his medical team concurred, it was amazing he played as long as he did.”

Of course, the Celtics claim the injury is muscular, which would further rule out the strained tendon he suffered in ’09.

If the injury is muscular, as the Celtics insist, the KG likely wouldn’t miss more than 3-4 months. The other muscles below the knee, besides the popliteus, are the plantaris, gastrocnemius, semimembranosus and plantaris. Damage to tendons or ligaments could be more detrimental, and more likely to require surgery, as “muscle has more tissue to help it sustain a resistive load.” If the Celtics are right about KG’s injury being strictly muscular, this is good. Even in the worst case scenario (of muscle injuries), I imagine KG would return ready for the playoffs.

Why do I even speculate when the Celtics don’t seem overly concerned? The Celtics are one team I don’t trust when it comes to injuries. They have taken the term “Belichickian” to another level. Remember back in 2009? We all thought Garnett would be back before the playoffs. Why? Because that’s what the Celtics led us to believe. They completely shielded us from the truth, which was that Garnett’s knee was worse than any of us knew, and that he would need surgery (and months of rehab, AND a year of being a shell of himself) before returning to normal.

If the Celtics were the Blazers, I could trust them. When Greg Oden injures himself, the Blazers tell you about it. When Brandon Roy is missing certain ligaments, the Blazers let you know. But if Oden had played on the Celtics, we probably would have heard he sprained his knee. And if Roy had played for the Celtics, they probably would have told us he was just bothered by a bruise. The C’s have a way of understating most injuries, a way of concealing the truth behind a veil of fibs.

All of which is why I’m not quite ecstatic to hear about KG’s muscle injury, which — if all the news is truthful — would not be the worst thing in the world. A muscle injury isn’t great, but it certainly beats the alternative. I can live with KG missing a few months, and then returning mostly healthy for the playoffs. What I can’t live with is a repeat of the ’09 knee injury, which could honestly end KG’s career.

Is the “this is a muscular injury, and an MRI will be administered tomorrow” news good? No, not at all. As Doc Rivers said, “You’ve heard me say it before. Injuries when no one’s around are always severe ones.”

But the Celtics don’t seem convinced the injury is overly severe, and — for now, at least – I’m willing to hesitantly believe them. Maybe it’s because I want to believe them, or maybe it’s because I think they’re actually telling the truth. I can’t tell.

Either way, I have my fingers crossed. The Celtics season could be decided tomorrow in a doctor’s office. I’m queasy just thinking about it.


http://www.celticstown.com/2010/12/30/kevin-garnetts-injury-the-breakdown/

really hope you are wrong

[barefacedmonk]

really hope you are wrong

He was quoting from the link provided.

[barefacedmonk]

I blame his new crappy Chinese shoes....China is always to blame

[greenpride32]

I am curious to know what qualifications any of you have for making your statements?  And even if you had any expertise you did not see the x-rays or tend to the patient.  So really this is all nothing but useless specualtion here. 

How long KG sits out will be a big tell on how serious the injury really is.  Remember back in 2009 the C's kept saying KG would be back; and kept pushing the date back, and finally announced a day or two before the playoffs started he was done for the year.  Because of this I'm not buying anything the C's say.  The fact that they are trying to stress it's not the knee has me more concerned.  But let's hope for the best.

[KungPoweChicken]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Anyone who believes this is a "muscle thing" is being duped again. Anyone who believes Doc when he says, "It's not the knee, and I don't think it's  that serious" is letting their optimism get in the way of reality.

This injury was eerily, eerily similar to the one in Utah. You could see the fear in Garnett's face that he knew his season might be over. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I don't think I am.

[Bahku]

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Anyone who believes this is a "muscle thing" is being duped again. Anyone who believes Doc when he says, "It's not the knee, but it might be serious" is letting their optimism get in the way of reality.

This injury was eerily, eerily similar to the one in Utah. You could see the fear in Garnett's face that he knew his season might be over. I hope I'm wrong, I really do, but I don't think I am.

Guess I'm being duped, then, cuz I don't believe it's the same injury, or a "season-ending" one. His leg was positioned very differently, and more in line with a hyper-extension of the calf than with a knee or ligament. We'll find out tomorrow after the MRI, and I could very well be wrong, but I sure hope not.

[Fafnir]

From watching KG feeling his KNEE and Eddie Lacerte feeling his KNEE on the bench....it was not a lower leg injury or calf injury as indicated by Doc who is full of it. 

Its something with the KNEE and we can only hope that maybe its just scar tissue tearing which I think is normal after surgeries.  But it does seem strange that its doing this 1.5 years after the surgery.  Just never heard of it happening this long after surgery.

I know it sure looked like deja vu all over agin because it happened when he jumped and not when he landed.  Same as before.

Garnett probably felt pain in his leg and was worried it was his knee, so that's what they checked.

We'll no more later today.

[Roy H.]

An interesting take:

(Note: I am about to speculate. I am no doctor, but I did a lot of research and the following speculation is a partially-educated estimate.)

According to A. Sherrod Blakely, the muscle injury is directly below the right knee. His report was slightly different (and more detailed) than the team’s official report, which sounded like a kindergartener pretending to diagnose his friend. A “muscle injury to the outside of his right leg, below the knee and above the ankle”? Really? A comparison to that description would be if James Naismith had explained, “the free throw line will fall at some point between midcourt and the peach basket,” or if someone told you, “Bang a left turn after the third set of lights and before the ninth set of lights.”

Oddly enough, the injury, as Blakey describes it, is the exact same spot KG injured in 2009. In 2009, KG suffered a strained popliteus tendon, which was complicated by bone spurs that had bothered him all season long. The popliteus tendon, located directly below the knee, attaches the popliteus muscle to the knee. KG’s injury tonight was in very close proximity to the popliteus tendon, and looked almost identical to the ’09 injury.

Thankfully, KG, at least as far as I know, isn’t bothered by the same bone spurs he was in ’09. By “as far as I know,” I mean that the x-rays came back negative. If the Celtics are truthful about no damage seen in the x-rays, then it’s safe to assume KG has no bone spurs.

In ’09, KG’s bone spurs, according to Jackie MacMullan, were vicious. “The spur was so large it had to be broken into pieces to be removed,” MacMullan wrote. “In hindsight, his medical team concurred, it was amazing he played as long as he did.”

Of course, the Celtics claim the injury is muscular, which would further rule out the strained tendon he suffered in ’09.

If the injury is muscular, as the Celtics insist, the KG likely wouldn’t miss more than 3-4 months. The other muscles below the knee, besides the popliteus, are the plantaris, gastrocnemius, semimembranosus and plantaris. Damage to tendons or ligaments could be more detrimental, and more likely to require surgery, as “muscle has more tissue to help it sustain a resistive load.” If the Celtics are right about KG’s injury being strictly muscular, this is good. Even in the worst case scenario (of muscle injuries), I imagine KG would return ready for the playoffs.

Why do I even speculate when the Celtics don’t seem overly concerned? The Celtics are one team I don’t trust when it comes to injuries. They have taken the term “Belichickian” to another level. Remember back in 2009? We all thought Garnett would be back before the playoffs. Why? Because that’s what the Celtics led us to believe. They completely shielded us from the truth, which was that Garnett’s knee was worse than any of us knew, and that he would need surgery (and months of rehab, AND a year of being a shell of himself) before returning to normal.

If the Celtics were the Blazers, I could trust them. When Greg Oden injures himself, the Blazers tell you about it. When Brandon Roy is missing certain ligaments, the Blazers let you know. But if Oden had played on the Celtics, we probably would have heard he sprained his knee. And if Roy had played for the Celtics, they probably would have told us he was just bothered by a bruise. The C’s have a way of understating most injuries, a way of concealing the truth behind a veil of fibs.

All of which is why I’m not quite ecstatic to hear about KG’s muscle injury, which — if all the news is truthful — would not be the worst thing in the world. A muscle injury isn’t great, but it certainly beats the alternative. I can live with KG missing a few months, and then returning mostly healthy for the playoffs. What I can’t live with is a repeat of the ’09 knee injury, which could honestly end KG’s career.

Is the “this is a muscular injury, and an MRI will be administered tomorrow” news good? No, not at all. As Doc Rivers said, “You’ve heard me say it before. Injuries when no one’s around are always severe ones.”

But the Celtics don’t seem convinced the injury is overly severe, and — for now, at least – I’m willing to hesitantly believe them. Maybe it’s because I want to believe them, or maybe it’s because I think they’re actually telling the truth. I can’t tell.

Either way, I have my fingers crossed. The Celtics season could be decided tomorrow in a doctor’s office. I’m queasy just thinking about it.


http://www.celticstown.com/2010/12/30/kevin-garnetts-injury-the-breakdown/

No idea if it's the popliteus tendon, but it definitely could be the popliteus muscle, which looks like this according to wikipedia:



That fits with the description of a) a muscle, b) on the outside of the leg, and c) below the knee but above the ankle.  Of course, that's total speculation.

[Kwhit10]

I hope this wasn't a result of Shaq freaking out about his fine and hanging onto KG in the locker room.  (I'm not being serious)

[celticinorlando]

shin, calf...just not the knee